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RandomNerd2000

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Uhhh, I have a slightly more than big problem, my 2000 just lost ALL gears, no forwards, no reverse, no manual 1st or 2nd, and NO codes. You put it in gear, nothing, drive only half engages if you mash the snot out of it. Stopped to get gas this morning, and that was it. Truck has 267K, transmission is unknown, has been replaced. So now what? It's home now, so now what? Transfer case? Trans? Or plan C, junk it?
 



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I admittedly know very little about automatic transmissions so I can't advise you on a repair, but why not stick in another (lower mileage) used trans and/or t-case? Perhaps out of a F150 w/BW4406 manual t-case.

Perhaps someone else will offer another suggestion.
 






You could take your chances putting a junk yard trans in for around $1,000 with labor included.

Or rebuilt it for $1,800 (in a rig with 265,000).

Or offer this guy $1,800 for this one i Greenville:
1999 Mercury Mountaineer

..then tear all the good parts off your rig and take the rest to the scrap yard or put in on craigslist for $500 and the new rig with 160,000 miles would only cost you $1,300 and after putting maybe another $1000 into fix up and maintenance, you hopefully can get another +100,000 miles and/or +5 years out of it.

Or head to Ford and sign on the dotted line for a new 2018. Then after 5 years of car payments and interest and full coverage insurance and warranty issues and and and.....when all is said and done have +$75,000 into a rig that aint worth $15,000 when it's paid off. But it will make your neighbors jealous, and hey, who likes their neighbors anyway?
 






No codes or any warning , id look at the t-case
 






What would the symptoms be of a blown viscous coupling in the 4404 vs a total 4R failure?
 












So, here's what I've established, it does have fluid, nice beautiful red fluid, plus, it's full. This trans was swapped into this truck at roughly 240K miles, the miles on it are unknown, also unknown is if the transfer case or TC were replaced, but it's never slipped or anything, it's been a literally perfect 4R70W up until this, so I'd think not many miles. The other testing I've done is, crawled underneath, when you turn the rear driveshaft, the front also moves, yet I've had a 2WD for a tiny bit now? How in the world does that work? The other interesting thing is occasionally it'll have drive, although it slips in and out with reckless abandon and I didn't mess with that other than checking the fluid level and discovering it. It has no codes, no indication of failure, no leaks, no weird smells on the fluid, nothing, it just literally quit. I'd think transfer case too if I'm honest, being as though it's been a 2WD for a bit.


As for replacing the trans, will a 2WD work? If worse comes to worse, I have a good 2WD. A rebuild on this truck is sorta a downhill investment IMO, it's got 267K miles and is really far off from perfect, has some rust and various issues that have sorta been swept under the rug or learned to live with.
 






For what it's worth, I have a 2wd 4R70W and matching driveshaft available. It's a bit of a drive for you but they definitely work (I drove the truck an hour back to my house when purchasing it as a donor.
 






I've got one already, thanks for offering, I have one, with shaft, good to go, with the driveshaft that's just chilling out if this turns out bad, doesn't have but 155K, I'm mostly trying to keep from pulling this trans if it's the T-Case, since I'm sorta in the dark on the AWD cases.
 






Check the fluid on the transfer case next.
 






As for replacing the trans, will a 2WD work? If worse comes to worse, I have a good 2WD.

Yes it will.

The 4404 would still be transmitting power to the rear if it was blown out.

Sounds like sun gear shell took a dump in the trans.
 






T-Case has fluid, established that in the howling noise ordeal a few weeks ago. Outta sheer interest, what are the odds the filter fell off or came loose, or worse yet clogged? Or am I just grasping at a straw by now?
 






Update, trans is moving absolutely no fluid, this actually is sorta saddening, it was perfect.
 






Sorry this happened to you bud. :(

How long was the trans in the rig? Who installed it? It is also possible the TC wasn't seated properly and blew out the pump/stator. Next step would be to drop the pan and see what you see. The magnet in the pan will tell you if there's been major wear happening.

If you have another 2wd 4r70w of the same year range (same wiring), it would be a good time to buy some front spindles and convert it fully to 2wd.

Or if you feel the rig ain't worth the effort, take what you can off it then scrap the rest and put the money toward another rig. Many good deals on rust free rigs in your state I can't even dream of finding up here in MI.
 






I'm sorry to hear your truck lost the trans. It sounds major unless the fluid was low, so I expect there is something in the pan, or the broken pieces are stuck elsewhere.

Do not drive it, or run the engine with the trans broken, that usually creates more damage from the debris, or heat building up. I'd call around and see what it will cost to have it bench built, and can you R&R the trans yourself?

The 4R trans usually doesn't hurt a lot of internal hard parts, rare times it might be an extra $200ish for something, depending on new or used part etc. The rebuild parts are in the $200 range, plus the TC. Add the damaged parts to that, and it's often well under $500 to build one. It usually takes a good trans guy three hours or more to build one, amateurs like me figure eight hours and more(I'm slow).

You are familiar with these 2nd gen trucks, I hope you aren't ready to get rid of them yet.
 






I can swap it myself, so I'm going to just swap in a 2WD, along with the rear shaft and then convert the front end as something else fails, like a hub bearing or a CV axle. This truck, being I gave $200 for it, doesn't owe me anything at all, I really like the truck, I've enjoyed owning it immensely, so I am going to fix it and keep it for the foreseeable future, as with the other truck. Things fail, accidents happen. I've got it on jackstands right now, going to drop the pan in the morning to see what's up, and if there's any abnormal wear, or if it's just an abnormal failure, then drop the trans, blow air through the lines to flush them out, and install the 2WD transmission. It's not all bad, I'll reuse my AWD driveshafts in the V8 swap on my Eddie Bauer.

On another note, I have no idea who installed this transmission, I presume it was done in a shop somewhere, it's been a worry free experience, it's never once slipped, lost fluid, shifted harshly or anything, it's been like a new transmission, or a rebuild so I'm curious extremely so what happened. The fluid on the dipstick looks and smells like regular Mercon V fluid, no grayish color or even a darkening, it's new looking still after the miles I've driven it, and however many the previous owner drove it after having it installed. I know all about installing the TC correctly, I had to do one on a 4R100 early last year and it's tedious, very easy to not get fully seated. There anything different about installing one on a 4R70W? I've been told they're nearly identical

On another note, I'm really far from getting rid of either 2nd Gen, I enjoy them, I enjoy owning them, and this truck has it's issues, but after a minute to think about it, I don't want to get rid of it, and even if I did, I'd just get another one dirt cheap like it, and my Eddie is like my first car, I wouldn't for any reason even consider getting rid of it, I plan on keeping it probably my whole life, since it's like a first car to me.

One would also around in now ask themselves, if I have an AWD trans and case for my Eddie Bauer swap, why not use that, and keep the AWD? Then make Eddie a 2WD or find another AWD? Well that's really simple, my Eddie was a 4WD truck, it's the nicer of the two trucks, and the trans I got for it last fall has 131K miles out a 2000 Mountaineer, so it's like a new trans, it's the lowest mile I've seen in a while, so that's where it's heading, solely because the Eddie has a special value to me, and finding AWD transmissions here is strangely difficult. I have the 2WD, there's nothing wrong with it, so that's what this 2000 is getting.

On a third note, I am going to be keeping and probably fixing this transmission, since why throw away a transmission that might need just a simple repair? Time to learn something new.
 






For what it's worth, when the 5r55e went out of my 98Exp 5yrs ago, I ended up getting a reman from the local Ford dealer. $2500 for a 36mo/unlimited mileage warranty that was good at any Ford dealer vs. $1500 for a 12mo/12k mile warranty from the local tranny shop, it was an easy decision. And it's still running strong....
 






Well this 2WD trans I have, I have it, complete, the driveshaft which is perfect, the torque converter, basically the entire ready to go unit just sitting awaiting a home, and I'm very mechanically inclined, I've changed engines, built engines, so changing a transmission to me isn't a great big deal. Ideally I'd get it rebuilt, if it was my Eddie Bauer, I'd spring for new, but on this truck I'm going to just keep it fixed until it's at the end of it's life.
 






The only difference between the 2WD trans and the 4WD/AWD, is two parts, the output shaft, and the tail housing. You don't need a speed sensor(VSS) in your 2000, that ended in 1997. So you could buy those two parts and convert the 2WD trans to work in either of your trucks.

When you drop the pan, if you see any debris at all, the radiator cooler may/should have it inside also. It's wise to replace the radiator when a trans dies, or at the least install an external or inline filter to keep anything from reaching the new trans.
 



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The only difference between the 2WD trans and the 4WD/AWD, is two parts, the output shaft, and the tail housing. You don't need a speed sensor(VSS) in your 2000, that ended in 1997. So you could buy those two parts and convert the 2WD trans to work in either of your trucks.

When you drop the pan, if you see any debris at all, the radiator cooler may/should have it inside also. It's wise to replace the radiator when a trans dies, or at the least install an external or inline filter to keep anything from reaching the new trans.
Alright, I'll keep that in mind, I'm hoping that the fluid will be clean as it looks and this will be a "clean failure". The Eddie Bauer I want AWD, for the sole reason it was 4WD from the factory and AWD is the "Premium" option. I'm picky about that truck I'll admit. I'm aware of how you can convert to a 2WD easily, it's an incredibly easy swap compared to how it looks when it comes to changing the front end part of it, I have most of it already, if not all, to convert this truck fully to 2WD
 






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