2000 AWD Xploder from Turbo back to NA

[CDW6212R]

Does that bearing have plenty of grease inside? I wonder how close it is to other pulley bearings, they say most aftermarket bearings have little grease in them, and adding some white lithium is an improvement. I don't know that, I just read it like everything else these days.

 

[willzilla]

Does that bearing have plenty of grease inside? I wonder how close it is to other pulley bearings, they say most aftermarket bearings have little grease in them, and adding some white lithium is an improvement. I don't know that, I just read it like everything else these days.

Yes... Got the idler installed in the waterpump idler housing and everything reinstalled. Re-routed the serpentine belt to bypass the ac compressor... started car up and it sounded great. Drove around... perfect! Zero issue. No leaks, no weird sounds, nothing! Woohoo!

Well... that is.. until today, lol. Oldest has been driving around and as she pulled into the driveway while I was outside cleaning my Camaro wheels I heard more sounds from the engine bay from the Explorer. Popped the hood and I hear a ton of sound from the crank/harmonic balancer area. Everything "looks" good.

The sound, now...



Thoughts?

But yeah.. I'm just... done with it all. Countless hours and money and just always something. I need to pick up a cheap reliable car for my oldest and for myself when I don't want to pile miles onto my ZL1 so... Unless it's something simple I'm over the Explorer and selling it.

If anyone is interested and wants to come fetch it here in Texas (near San Antonio & Austin) it's available. Making noise but drives/runs fine it seems. Has a lot of hard to find expensive items AND new tires on it. Torque monster headers. Meziere electric water pump. Touch screen radio. Nice interior. New carpet. I'm thinking $2500 maybe. Decent price even if someone just wants to yank out the super hard to find headers, the wheels/tires, and other bits and pieces or whatever.

 

[willzilla]

For Sale - 2000 Ford Explorer XLT 5.0 AWD Modified w/Torque Monster Headers & More!

For sale is my modified 2000 Ford Explorer XLT 5.0 v8 AWD. I need something reliable and cheap for my kids to drive. I'm out of time and patience working on the Xploder, sadly. Located in New Braunfels Texas (between Austin and San Antonio). I've worked on this car on and off for many years...

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[CDW6212R]

That sounds like a bearing, and with the new WP bearing, I wonder if that's it. Don't sell it just to get rid of it, that $2500 is way to little for a complete and driveable 2nd gen.

I would be satisfied with a normal WP versus that electric high tech version. I know small power gains are nice, but at what cost and is it reliable long term? I have an electric fan in my 99 work truck, it's been great but I worry about it a lot compared to the tried and true OEM fan and clutch. I will still convert my other(project) 98 to an electric fan, but I'll put a lot of time and effort in it to be sure it's reliable.

BTW, I just ordered a new WP from Summit for my project truck, the FlowKooler brand, I have used OEM for my two past 302 WP's.

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[willzilla]

That sounds like a bearing, and with the new WP bearing, I wonder if that's it. Don't sell it just to get rid of it, that $2500 is way to little for a complete and driveable 2nd gen.

I would be satisfied with a normal WP versus that electric high tech version. I know small power gains are nice, but at what cost and is it reliable long term? I have an electric fan in my 99 work truck, it's been great but I worry about it a lot compared to the tried and true OEM fan and clutch. I will still convert my other(project) 98 to an electric fan, but I'll put a lot of time and effort in it to be sure it's reliable.

BTW, I just ordered a new WP from Summit for my project truck, the FlowKooler brand, I have used OEM for my two past 302 WP's.

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Nice! The Meziere was originally added so I could fit electric fan setup years ago.

The sound seems to come from below the water pump around the crank area and not from the water pump itself as it was before replacing the waterpump idler bearing via listening around with my stethoscope. Pretty worn down on this entire thing especially trying to work on stuff when it's 105+ outside.

 

[CDW6212R]

I know that heat thing, here the mid 80's are kicking my butt working in it for five hours a day(I have no AC either). Try to listen to it from below the front, be careful. I doubt it has an odd serious noise from the crank area immediately after working on the WP, and the WP is making no noise.

Look at the balancer as closely as you can before running it again, see if the seam looks normal The balancer is in twop parts like all OEM, with a rubber sealing ring. When that lets go, the outer ring will move eventually, in or out, and that ruins the balance of the engine, and can contact nearby parts too.

 

[willzilla]

I know that heat thing, here the mid 80's are kicking my butt working in it for five hours a day(I have no AC either). Try to listen to it from below the front, be careful. I doubt it has an odd serious noise from the crank area immediately after working on the WP, and the WP is making no noise.

Look at the balancer as closely as you can before running it again, see if the seam looks normal The balancer is in twop parts like all OEM, with a rubber sealing ring. When that lets go, the outer ring will move eventually, in or out, and that ruins the balance of the engine, and can contact nearby parts too.

I'll try to take a closer look sometime in the next day or 2.

Initial issue from a few weeks ago was noise from the balancer/crank area. That's when I replaced the harmonic balancer/crank pulley and crank seal. Fired it up and had sound from the water pump and compressor. Bypassed the compressor and replaced the water pump idler pulley. Started it again and no sound and it sounded and drove great.. for a few days, until this sound popped up today :-/

Car was to hot to investigate much but I'll pull belt off and look more into it tomorrow or Monday or sometime during the week as my schedule allows

 

[CDW6212R]

I forgot that it had a new balancer.

I'm amazed that my 98 is still going strong at 243k miles, given my constant severe use of it. I have to replace the PS pump, it's been whining for almost two weeks now. I haven't been able to get to the rear axle bearings etc, that's the big thing I never got to since I bought it. I'd like to fix the AC, but I failed at the blend door it seems, the actuator doesn't engage the door 100% of the time. The freon went and the EATC has some kind of issue(or a vacuum leak), which I haven't tested carefully enough yet. Tons to do, not enough hours in the day with work. I even checked for another 302 Explorer last month, in case one was near for a decent price. Nothing with decent mileage turned up, except one in PA for $10k with 150k miles. Three strikes on that one, and all others were high mileage and/or crap. If you were closer, I would help; my best friend could use a beater AWD Explorer, like my 98 will be when I sell it.

 

[willzilla]

Somewhat frustrated with everything hence the lack of updates. Haven't messed with the Explorer since parking it after the noise and what not from August. Hopefully build up some willpower to dive back in sometime. Ended up buying my oldest a 2014 Impala Limited to drive as I can't count on the Explorer, lol.

 

[willzilla]

Unrelated to the Explorer but we had a cool annular solar eclipse that was viewable by my home here in Texas a few weeks ago. I've been working on improving my photography skills a bit and captured some photos that I put into a short "time lapse" video. Used a 16.5 step solar ND filter so as to not burn up my Sony camera sensor, lol:



Couple photos:

 

[willzilla]

Still haven't gotten around to f'ing with the Xploder after it pissed me off last time, LOL.. maybe I will dive back in soon

 

[willzilla]

Well, it's been quite some time. Finally tinkered on the Xploder some... Car seems to drive fine but the engine noise is not good. I got around to pulling the belt and with belt off... no noise. With belt on, noise. Made a YouTube short comparing sound of belt on and off...



Any thoughts? All new drive pulleys, new crank pulley, new crank pulley seal, and even replaced the Meziere electric water pump idler bushing. AC system is bypassed currently so no sound from that. Only thing not replaced is the power steering.

 

[TekMan05]

You take a stethoscope or something similar to try to pinpoint it that way?

 

[willzilla]

You take a stethoscope or something similar to try to pinpoint it that way?

Yeah, was hard to find exactly.. seems to be water pump though, so, either my replacement idler bushing I just replaced in the water pump **** almost immediately or something else is wrong with the pump. Maybe I need to have it rebuilt.

 

[CDW6212R]

Ditto, hopefully you can isolate it with a stethoscope etc. The sound has to be from the WP, PS, alternator, or one of the idler pulleys. That's kind of a rough sound, odd. Do you have another alternator to swap with, that would be a quick test?

 

[willzilla]

Ditto, hopefully you can isolate it with a stethoscope etc. The sound has to be from the WP, PS, alternator, or one of the idler pulleys. That's kind of a rough sound, odd. Do you have another alternator to swap with, that would be a quick test?

Yeah.. didn't seem to come from the alt or PS when I was listening with the scope but I'll scope some more this week and see if I can investigate further.

 

[willzilla]

Moved the Xploder over from where it was parked for the past... year, lol. Drove it around the block and drove and shifted fine, no issues... other than the sound, lol. Also cleaned up the wasp nests and spider webs from the El Camino engine bay... need to replace hoses and wires that animals chewed up a while back on the El Camino and replace the carb.

Have been busy working on website and Etsy pages... maybe I should add some Explorer themed stuff, lol:

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Currently sell stickers, shirts, hats (like the one in photo below), etc.. maybe I'll do some Xploder stuff, lol

I think something like this would look cool, haha

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[willzilla]

Going to listen around some more later today or tomorrow depending on how busy I am and also on the 100+ degree temps, lol

 

[willzilla]

Ok... had some time and dug in some more... pulled the idler shroud or whatever it's called off of the electric water pump and noticed some excessive wear around the inside outer edge. I recall there being a little in this same place back when I replaced the bushing but there was a lot more I noticed this time:

Looking closer I noticed a piece missing from the plate that locks in the bearing:

I also noticed some play in the bearing between the shroud and locking plate.. I could wobble it a bit in place which is not good.

I made a quick YouTube short of what I found:



Going to email Meziere and see if I can buy a new locking plate!

Now to wear my new hat... LOL!!

 

[willzilla]

I emailed Don Meziere from Meziere whom is where I purchased the replacement bushing from and am hoping to get a reply and that he will sell me a new retainer ring/locking plate so I can get everything back up and running. It's been 3 days but I figured probably a delay with it being the weekend