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here are zero other examples of the coil pack ignition working with the terminator 302/4r70w setup aside from this truck I got running and of course Tim’s

that seems to be the case. most tuners want you to run all holley stuff, which is fine if you have the money to buy it. dual sync distributors seem to be the thing, or the msd cam buttons. both which are way beyond my bank account.
 



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And now the Holley stuff is about double the cost it was… out of my reach as well… at least for now
I do enjoy the simplicity of way less plumbing sensors etc and I’m guessing once the tuning is done the ability to squeeze out performance and trans functions is appealing

Lots of “firsts” on this build
 






Sounds like things have cooled down a bit, glad to hear it. You both seem to be good guys, just in an all round bad situation. Look forward to seeing the build compiled into a more streamlined version.

The tuner is not used to working with distribitorless ignition I am sure… especially this ford setup. How do I know? Well there are zero other examples of the coil pack ignition working with the terminator 302/4r70w setup aside from this truck I got running and of course Tim’s

Was this the first? I doubt it.. some early bronco dudes running similar but still pretty sure they had distributors and a timing spout …I can’t remember if any of them had the coil packs
Not us we have no spout and a cam synchronizer

You're probably right about that. At least about the tuner's first using the Ford coil packs. I was looking into doing this very thing 6+ years ago when I found the thread on this build. Was definitely a surprise to find it hinding on a site I was already a member of. At that time I was planning to drop the Explorer 5.0L into a first gen Ranger. Originally the intent was to use the Explorer EFI in the first gen. Then I figured out I was over my head trying to make the Explorer EFI work standalone, and wanted the instructions and relative simplicity of the Terminator. Eventually I sat down with the WDM and harness and think I got the Explorer EFI wired to work standalone, never tested it though. Gave up on that first gen, I butchered it too much to save, and now the engine is residing in the '99. There will be (is actually) another first gen, but I think it will be a 4 banger with a Hiroshima hairdryer and a PiMP.

I recall when I was asking around about it that it had been done and could be done, but none of the people claiming that at the time could/would provide evidence or answers.
 






I put a 97.5 mountaineer 5.0 drivetrain into my 1988 bronco ii along with the obd2 conversion 20 years ago now (2005)
My bronco was the guennea pig for torque monster conversion headers (ttb trucks)
I still have my 1988 dash
My conversion is legal even in California as the bronco believes 100% it is a mountaineer. I even added a fuel tank pressure sensor to the Bronco ii tank
Oh yeah and my Bronco has a slight body drop
There was lots of firsts in that build and tons of custom wiring, which is kind of my thing
I can make a 5.0 explorer engine run on a stand if needed (stand alone setup)

I have since converted several gen I and rangers explorers from 1983 all the way to 2007
I also do sohc conversions and 4.0 ohv
In the future I would love to do a coyote a Ecoboost and possibly a bt4 or diesel of some sort
I’m already planning my next personal build have been collecting parts for over two years including a Dana 44 ttb and now it looks like a 351w, this should make Joshp very excited (sorry no lesbians involved)
 






I put a 97.5 mountaineer 5.0 drivetrain into my 1988 bronco ii along with the obd2 conversion 20 years ago now (2005)
My bronco was the guennea pig for torque monster conversion headers (ttb trucks)
I still have my 1988 dash
My conversion is legal even in California as the bronco believes 100% it is a mountaineer. I even added a fuel tank pressure sensor to the Bronco ii tank
Oh yeah and my Bronco has a slight body drop
There was lots of firsts in that build and tons of custom wiring, which is kind of my thing
I can make a 5.0 explorer engine run on a stand if needed (stand alone setup)

I have since converted several gen I and rangers explorers from 1983 all the way to 2007
I also do sohc conversions and 4.0 ohv
In the future I would love to do a coyote a Ecoboost and possibly a bt4 or diesel of some sort
I’m already planning my next personal build have been collecting parts for over two years including a Dana 44 ttb and now it looks like a 351w, this should make Joshp very excited (sorry no lesbians involved)
Pretty certain that I could now too. At that time I was trying to do too much on that ranger. Attempted to go way beyond just engine, I had the grand idea to incorporate the entire Explorer body harness and make it work with the Ranger dash and controls. Probably could have done it, but I did not have the time, place, or patience. (Respectively that would have been none, the on the grass in the middle of my backyard, and none.) Unfortunately I figured that out after I'd already stripped the Ranger and hacked up its entire wiring harness. If not for the damage I did to that Ranger's chassis harness it probably would have been built and running years ago. Instead the V8 went into the 99 and I realized I wanted something different out of the first gen.

My first truck was a 84 long bed, 2wd, V6 manual, with a blue interior. I planned to lower it, hop up the V6 a little more than it was (2.8L, ported, cammed, long tubes, offy intake, holley 4bbl, and duraspark II), and drive. I totaled the 84 in 2009, but have wanted to build a clone of what I wanted it to be since. The one I butchered was an 86 or 87 regular cab, short bed, 2wd, V6 manual, with a red interior and a bad engine. Never wanted the short bed, but it was all I could find at the time and I though it was going to be a relatively quick drop my engine in and go. Shortly after getting it I found the first V8 donor Explorer thus the V8 swap was born, things snowballed, I butchered the wiring, and got overwhelmed. Basically I tried to do too much, it never recovered, and I lost interest.

In 2022 I found an 85 (I happen to be an 85 too) long bed 2wd high optioned, 2.3L auto with dual tanks and blue interior. Happened to be the same color my 84 originally was, and located in the same city that I got it from. Originally I thought to install the V6 that I still have from my 84, but then decided I wanted to play with a turbo on the 4 cylinder or swap in a late model turbo 4. It was originally a high trim level with carpet, the full door panels (first gen panel that goes up to the window), bucket seats, and center console which was a apparently a somewhat rare option in an 85 Ranger. Unfortunately it had been swapped for a worn out bench at some point. Given the high options and dual tanks, I've decided to restomod.

Someone had already installed upgraded swaybars like I was going to, to include a 1" BII rear bar, and swapped in a 3.45 rear axle. (Between the 2.3L, dual tanks, and gear ratio, this thing was set up to cruise the highway.) I've acquired the proper center console, just need to dye to match. I recently acquired a set of FloFit bucket seats, same thing that Saleen put in the '88 Rangers that they sold. I've got all components to swap to 95-97 knuckles and lower it. I've got all parts to install Cobra 13" disc brakes in the front. I've got an Explorer disc brake LS axle to pop in the rear. The accessory drive was is in pieces and some were missing, tracked most of that down. Was diagnosing a no crank condition. I tried to go under to check out neutral safety switch (seriously only tried the truck is too low, need to put on stands or ramps) I discovered that the DS floor pan is swiss cheese and that's where I hit the pause button. It's too weak in critical areas for seat mounting, and I've got too many projects ongoing to tackle a floor pan replacement at the moment. When the time comes I'll cut patch panels out of the 86 cab or the totaled 84 that I have still held onto.

Instead of building the first gen as a "muscle truck" it's going to be built as a peppy, sporty daily driver. One that will hopefully get pretty decent MPG if I do it right. Also be my first foray into forced induction and megasquirt based EFI. If I'm not satisfied with the handling of the lowered TIB, or with the performance of the Turbo Lima and auto trans, I'll probably install an AJE SN95 conversion K-member and a late model Ecoboost engine. Want to try old school, but not afraid to go modern to get what I want.
 






now it looks like a 351w, this should make Joshp very excited (sorry no lesbians involved)
I'll survive, and like the 351W choice.
 






I’ve been looking for one
I have a buddy here who does f150 like I do rangers, he has sourced a 5.8 for me and I can’t contain it any longer
 






I’m already planning my next personal build have been collecting parts for over two years including a Dana 44 ttb and now it looks like a 351w, this should make Joshp very excited (sorry no lesbians involved)
Completely missed that line the first time. Might sound crazy, but ideas have floated around in my head for that 86 that never got put back together too. I've still got almost all of the parts just no wiring. They are scattered, but I have them. One of those ideas has been to get stronger 78/79 Dana 44 and 9" for my '68 F-100, and put the F-100's axles under the 86 frame. I'd do full width D44 TTB if it were a 4wd frame, but since it's 2wd I think SAS would be easier. Reinstall it's cab and and bob the frame with a flat bed. Rebuild the "spare" 5.0 and either carb or Sniper it, with a M5OD and manual x-fer case from an F-150. Minimal wiring to make it registerable, but mostly an offroad/woods toy.

Either that or install the AKE J-member idea from previous post on that frame, with a SN95 high steer kit. Build a cheap high RPM 5.0L out of the "spare" engine. (or break my own all Ford rule and go really cheap with LS?) Build a drift truck even though I'm clueless about how to drift. I'd still do a simple flat bed, less overhang and don't have to worry about wall taps.

Of course, I then remember that I have no place or occasion to use either of those rigs and that I don't have time to finish what I'm already working on. If either happen, it'll be WAY after I've got other projects sorted and need something to do. It's probably better to use/save what I need from the 86 and scrap or sell the rest. Hard part of the work for parting it out is already done (removal/disassembly), all that is left is listing and shipping.
 









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I grew up on Depeche Mode and The Cure
I’ve seen dm 11 times in person including two nights front row at red rocks for the sofad concert in I believe 93? 1987 was my first concert Thomas Dolby, omd and dm at mcnichols areana 1987? I was 15.
My son is now 15
Then I followed and partied a band called the samples out of high school
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Then a good friend of mine was the lead singer of p-knuckle and I went to ska/ reggae dub type, many shows
Now later in life I was given stick figure
So I share with you
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Huge fan of stick figure

Thank you Dave gahan, Martin Gore, Robert Smith, Sean Kelley, Chris and now Scott
Thanks for inspiration and guidance

I realize this may seem like a strange Post, but it will hit those that matter
Thank you guys too.. I consider you all family!
Thanks for 80 pages ef!!! And 25+ years thanks Rick
This is just the start

Music has always been there for me
Just like my FORD
 






Father son time

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Kids a dang good skier
This is the first chance I’ve had to come with him
Last time I rode a chairlift was 17 years ago
It’s like riding a bike
I’m skiing switch and I hit the “box” in the terrain park twice .. these old knees still have some life in em
 






@Josh T please post a link to your thread. It sounds very interesting. I'd like to check it out.
In a few weeks, I will be updating my thread including why I was sticking with the Ford pcm, why I switched to the Holley idea and
why I switched back to the Ford pcm and factory powertrain harness. I just don't have the time right here, right now to get into it and
I still have 2 "bugs" to work out on my coil-near-plug project. (I have a very pressing customer job that I'm tending to and this morning I'll be making a trip with my wife to the Dr. We are hoping that the cancer is not back). I will say that the final tuning is less than $500- to involve a veteran Ford OBD2 tuner. I have my project running and have not had to involve a "tuner" so far.
1997 MM 5.0 C-N-P conversion
 






Here’s to no cancer!!!!!
 






Just got caught up
Sorry you had to endure the " extra".
Keep giving them hell,Jamie!
There is a good bunch of people who enjoy your work
 






I have been thinking about this a lot lately, of course
And for anyone playing catch up or still following this thread it is only fair of me to point out that Eddie, while he was here in town and “taking his licks” he gave me a very sincere, well thought out and explained apology for his words and actions in that Facebook thread.
He understand my perspective and was upset with himself for not taking my feelings and actions into account when looking for a second opinion.

An apology goes a long long way with me, especially when it is sincere and from family.

I could have provided that second opinion for him with all the links to all the experts and information that went into
My decision processes along the way

I promised him I would treat his truck as if it was one of my own, and that is exactly what I did from day one to page 80

I have zero regrets about building this truck
I hope it brings him as much joy to own as my fords have for me over the years
I’m here for ya if you need me buddy
 






Glad it all worked out. Eddie, good luck with the Ranger!
 






If I learned anything from this thread it's stay away from the holly computer system it seems to be the root of all the problems in a couple of different threads on this forum
I think the standard ford computer with a tune would have worked out better and cost less money in the long run
But this is just my opinion
 






One of the neighbors has a holley on his fox body. He did it since hes built so many 5.0s he wanted to do something easy and self tuning haha. But it seems to also have an achilles heel. Ill ask him if hes run into the issue too.
 



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If I learned anything from this thread it's stay away from the holly computer system it seems to be the root of all the problems in a couple of different threads on this forum
I think the standard ford computer with a tune would have worked out better and cost less money in the long run
But this is just my opinion

2 edged sword i would have to think. if your basically stock i would think a terminator x is not worth the time or money. if your highly modified, then it is a different story. my encounters with both are this.
when using the stock computer you will retain all of the functions of the vehicle. a holley you can still retain them, but you will have to do a lot of digging or know a ton of electrical and wiring for that vehicle. as of this moment, my reverse lights and a/c are not working (ask jamie how many times i've bugged him about a thread on a/c).
there are tons of people that can tune both, but there are more how too's on youtube with the holley.
a stock pcm and wiring are nowhere near as finnicky as a holley.
terminator x's have been out for quite some time, but only in the last few years have become popular, where sct diablo and mega squirt have been around forever so the support is endless.
i will say this however, member dono did the tuning on my truck when i had a sct pro racer in it. for a guy that read a book and asked a few people questions he did a great job. but he will be the first to admit that he is not a tuner. we never could get it to run correctly or as we both thought close to 100% (even his truck). in mine i will call it "ghosts". where you would be driving down the road, then out of nowhere it would kick at you then return to normal. it would also never idol smoothly (or as smooth as you can with a cam that has 112 overlap). with a holley, i havent noticed any drivability issues, and it also idles very smooth.
if you are doing a engine swap and want to keep it efi, i would say a holley is the better way to go instead of chopping a factory harness to do this or that, and also if you holley you have a brand new harness to work with and not a possibly 25 year old or older harness that can short out where ever it sees fit.
using a holley has left a bitter taste in my mouth however the more i learn about it, the more i warm up to it, but i will never forget the nightmare it was to get to that point.
does it run better then a stock pcm, yes but that i will say is because there is a limit that you can tune a explorer. mustang might be a different story but i dont think ford had it in mind how far some of us have gone with these trucks when they designed the computer that runs everything.
once again, my 2 cents as well.
 






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