Haha, Paul I didn't want to offend anyone, and about a year ago my job kept me tied up about 65 hours a week so there was essentially no explorer forum for me. But when I came back, well, about 3-4 of the guys I wheel with had rolled their rigs and plenty of other things changed. I had a feeling this project was going on for over a year, but I know it can be a sore subject when you talk about long term builds. FYI, my truck went into the shop the first week in Dec. At that time I was told it would probably be ready for the truckhaven run on MLK day, it's still in there. The old "I didn't want to do anything without your consent" line keeps getting tossed around, plus the old "we keep adding to the original design" and from what I've seen on your truck, I can imagine that there is plenty of mid-play audibles being called by the quarterback. Your truck is going to be a gem when it's done, just over build that thing to so it never has to be retired. I'm putting so much extra tubework into my truck and tying it in to so many places on the body that even if I rolled it down an embankment 5-6 times I could take a sawzall, trim along the floor outside of the cage and weld a new body on there.