Gas modified by Acetone results

[aldive]

Where Can You Purchase Acetone?

Lowes, Home Depot, hardware stores, paint stores, etc.

 

[2000XPLORERSPORT]

Lowes, Home Depot, hardware stores, paint stores, etc.

OK, HOW MUCH DO YOU ADD TO YOUR GAS? HOW MUCH DOES A BOTTLE COST? DOES IT HELP HORSEPOWER/TORQUE?

 

[Albino 94LTD]

OK, HOW MUCH DO YOU ADD TO YOUR GAS? HOW MUCH DOES A BOTTLE COST? DOES IT HELP HORSEPOWER/TORQUE?

All the answers you seek are in this thread. Good reading, enjoy.

 

[glfredrick]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MythBusters_(season_3)#The_Great_Gas_Conspiracy

 

[gto78]

One minor forgotten detail

Acetone additive doesn't always work on cheap gas... If you buy gas from the habeeb mart it will most likely already be loaded up with tons of crap like oxygenates etc, and will have a base octane of 85 or less before they added all that stuff to get it to pass the 87 octane rating. When you buy a quality gasoline from Shell or Sunoco, or Texaco it will perform like it's supposed to. I'm not starting the old debate about brand name gasolines being different than no name gas- but the bottom line speaks for itself. Cheap gas is crap, and will not respond to additives because there's not enough actual "fuel" in the gas, it's already watered down with tons of additives.

Here's a link about gas stations: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Acetone:Gas_Station_Differences

Here's a link about acetone with TONS of results- some good- some bad: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Acetone_as_a_Fuel_Additive

 

[gto78]

OK, HOW MUCH DO YOU ADD TO YOUR GAS? HOW MUCH DOES A BOTTLE COST? DOES IT HELP HORSEPOWER/TORQUE?

A very rough estimate for most users is around 3 OZ per every 10 gallons. BUT remember every vehicle requires a different amount depending on how efficient the injectors are, and what kind of fuel they're using. Some people will have a decrease in mileage with 3 oz but an increase in mileage with 2 oz. I havent heard of anyone getting positive results with 4oz or more.

 

[sobes]

What about the 5.0 guys? V8 mileage improvements?

Good info in this thread, I am trying it out for the first time at the rate of 2 oz/20 gals (to start out). I have a 5.0 V8 and read through all 9 pages of this topic, but didn't see any V8 mileage postings? Any current results w/V8's? Thx!

 

[daves97sport]

NOT a minor detail...

One minor forgotten detail
Acetone additive doesn't always work on cheap gas... If you buy gas from the habeeb mart it will most likely already be loaded up with tons of crap like oxygenates etc, and will have a base octane of 85 or less before they added all that stuff to get it to pass the 87 octane rating. When you buy a quality gasoline from Shell or Sunoco, or Texaco it will perform like it's supposed to. I'm not starting the old debate about brand name gasolines being different than no name gas- but the bottom line speaks for itself. Cheap gas is crap, and will not respond to additives because there's not enough actual "fuel" in the gas, it's already watered down with tons of additives.

Here's a link about gas stations: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directo...on_Differences

The above is an excellent point. Reading thru different sites on acetone, it tells you to avoid "ethanol". Our local Sunoco stations all have that listed on their pumps (no % listed).

Has anyone noticed differences in "around town" and "trip" tests?
If I added (this was in the summer) for local driving where the tank lasted for about a week, i noticed no difference with the acetone. Maybe the high volatility caused it to evaporate out over that period? On trips, it adds about 10% more miles per tank.

 

[Fifty150]

So this has been brewing for the past 2 years. Have we really learned anything from this?

 

[bisjoe]

So this has been brewing for the past 2 years. Have we really learned anything from this?

With gas running $3.12-$3.20 now, if this really worked I would think that the stores would be running out of the stuff and jack up the prices to keep up with the demand.

Back about 2 years ago I tried it on my '72 El Camino carbed 350, 2 0z./tank, then 3 oz./tank, and the same for two more tanks. My mileage figures for those were 11, 11, 11, 11, same as before and same as after.

 

[CDW6212R]

I remember those days, I had a 351C 4V in a Gran Torino. I could pour water in the gas tank or the carburetor, it would eat anything, no affect on mileage. I had neighbors have to drain there cars for water from the local Weigel's gas. Mine ran fine on the same gas. When the mileage is that bad, you don't notice much change.

 

[vacuumbed]

New member here, just wanted to say hello!
I use acetone in my Mercury Sable, but I'm thinking of swapping it for a 99-01 Explorer. Excellent acetone thread here.

 

[96XLTRanger]

Acetone doesn't make you burn hotter - it ignites at a different time than gasoline does. wouldn't this throw timing off?

It's a cleaner burning additive, and raises octane a little, but why would you need more octane? What about Xylene, Xylol???

 

[ShadeTreeMech]

This site is the best I could find on the subject
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/2005/03/17/6900069_Acetone/
And it states that too much will raise the octane and reduce fuel mileage.
There is a good graph showing 4 different vehicle and how different amounts of the acetone affected the mileage.

I'm going to stick to 1.5-2 oz per 10 gallons to avoid raising the octane and still get the benefits.

 

[Fifty150]

Acetone doesn't make you burn hotter - it ignites at a different time than gasoline does. wouldn't this throw timing off?

Great observation 96XLTRanger. I believe that the knock sensor in your engine will compensate for the timing issue.

 

[BIGHVM]

UK fuel

OK i seem to have noticed that your fuel in the states is lower in Octane than ours, regular is 95 and high is 98, would acetone make a differance in this case If I was to add it to our commonly available 95 octane stuff?
I get an average of 20- I think thats normal.
I would love to get more per gallon with the UK price being £1.05 per litre at this time!

 

[Fifty150]

OK i seem to have noticed that your fuel in the states is lower in Octane than ours, regular is 95 and high is 98, would acetone make a differance in this case If I was to add it to our commonly available 95 octane stuff?
I get an average of 20- I think thats normal.
I would love to get more per gallon with the UK price being £1.05 per litre at this time!

Yes, the acetone would do the same exact thing: raise your octane by several points. The real question is how will your engine & knock sensor react and compensate to the new octane level. But if your vehicle is already tuned to operate at a safe level with 98 octane, raising the octane level from 95 would make very little difference. If you were to use the 98 octane, and raise the level to at or about 100 octane, then you'll more than likely experience an increase in performance.

 

[Maniak]

The octane is measured differently in the US compared to UK.

Do a little digging (google is your friend).. I can't remember the formulas used but they are different.

~Mark

 

[BIGHVM]

Hmm, today I went and filled up in a Total garage, I used the excelium fuel, it claims to give an extra 30 miles on a full tank- will let you all know. after about an hour driving I nailed it to the floor and did notice an increase accelaration, it seemed more lively than usual..........................maybe I imagined it, maybe it burns better- I will lay off the pedal action to see if the claims are true- too much heavy right foot action could eat that potential 30 miles gain!

So I take it the Explorer engine is set up for american fuel octane.........does that mean we enjoy a subtle gain on performance as our lower grade is 95 and higher 98?
Or has the ucu been mapped to allow our fuel?

This brings up all sort of tuning thoughts eh?
IN the uk we do have very fast cars, our Explorers are fairly wild, as most 4by 4s here are diesel!
So I know I am guilty of more than a few races from lights in my time, I have to say not many standard cars or 4by 4s can touch it..............for pace.
What if I could make it faster with a re map?
what if I changed the diff?
what if I ditched some weight?
Hmmmmmmm- the mind boggles!

Will have to check with Aldive the great about such matters, he seems to have this part of the universe in hand- He really has done so much to gain mpg increases- A legend in my books- worthy of a read if you have not already folks!

 

[Turdle]

http://www.stretcher.com/stories/01/010226m.cfm

"In the United States, pump octane is an average of 2 ratings, research octane (RON) and motor octane (MON). If you look at any gas pump in the United States, you will see a yellow sticker that says "octane by R + M / 2" That is the basic formula for an average. These 2 numbers mean different things. You could make an analogy to that of a blood pressure reading (systolic and diastolic). Research Octane number is always higher than Motor Octane number.

In Europe, they only report the RON. You may hear people discussing that in Europe, the octane is higher. Well, that is not exactly true. You see, in Europe, you might find 96 octane at a local gas station. (wow 96, highest we have here is 94). Well, that 96 is equivalent to 92 here in the States."

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