I Hate COPS!!! This is absurd!!!!

[mofodela]

How can you say that drinking and drugs causes all the problems of society? You are just oblivious to everything then, its the lifestyle the parents lead and the influence they have on their child, I can tell you right now that I started drinking at 13, I got straight A's all the way through high school and will be graduating in May this year, will be going to princeton next year. And no dont say mommy and daddy bought my way into those schools or bought me my explorer, I earned all my own cash with a computer company I own (yes thats right Im 17 and own a computer company). I earned my way into that school on my own merit, busting my ass studying 5-6 hours a day. Just because I go out and have a few beers on the weekends doesnt mean that Im going to get a girl pregnant, or end up doing harder drugs. You are stereotyping beyond belief, just because some kids that do that stuff are F*** ups doesnt mean everyone is, and what does that prove to you? That its not the alcohol that causes these kids to mess up, its the lack of guidance they recieve. My parents raised me right and Im doing something with my life. All I can say is that no wonder your a cop, you have the common sense of a five year old.

 

[hornz2000]

I agree with you mofodela. I mean I go out every weekend and have a few beers and occasionally hit the bong with my friends but I still have a 3.7 GPA at a college prep school and am going to vanderbilt next year. Granted, I didn't pay for my own X or pay insurance or gas or anything, but I as well own my own business (www.oldtonew.com) that is surprisingly profitibale and if people knew they were sending their personal tapes to a 17 year old I have a feeling they would defer in the future. I think it is in how you raise your child and the guidance you give them as well.

 

[Rick]

mofodela, your other post was way out of line. I deleted it.

I do agree that drinking and drugs aren't the cause of societies problems. They are more of a reaction to it.

When I was a kid the drinking age had just jumped from 18-21. We were all looking forward to being able to drink legally at 18 then that was taken away from us. It seems it's ok to fight and die for your country at 18, but it's not ok to consume alcohol... go figure.

What the law did was force us to drive to Wisconsin where the drinking age was still 18. In turn that caused a lot of teenagers to drink and drive... long distances. Today all of the states are 21, yet young people including our preidents own daughters still continue to drink... illegally.

Drugs with alcohol included have been around nearly forever. No one is going to stop the consumption no matter what the penalty. Even in countries wehre doing or selling drugs can lead to the death penalty people still do and sell drugs.

In my opinion everything was in balance until 1980 when Reagen took office and started the misguided "war on drugs" 20 years later the war is still on and the only people who are winning are law enforcement agencies which get to hire more agents, buy more equipment and justify their existance by the fact that the consumption has never went down.

In the greatest nation in the world, the land of the "free" we have more people in jail than the Soviet Union or China. The reason? Mainly drug possesion and sale. We had a President who tryed pot a Vice President who admitted using it regularly for years during college and another president who was suspected of doing cocaine and had an alcohol abuse problem.

All of them were lucky enough not to get caught, had they been caught... any of them... they would never had a chance to progress as far as they did in their lives. It's hard to do that with a conviction under your belt. How many peoples lives have been ruined not by the drugs themselves, but by the archaic laws which turn otherwise good citizens into criminals.

We have people in jail for life for selling and growing pot! Of all psychactive drugs pot is probably the most benign. Smoke it until the cows come home and all that will happen is you'll get tired and hungry. No one has ever died from smoking too much pot. On the other hand alcohol is legal and people can and do die from overdoses. Besides dying, permanant liver damage can result and the dependence is physical not just psycological like pot is.

 

[KEbert]

That's a great point you made Rick. I couldn't agree more. I myself have never done the grass but I am not against it at all. I reccomend to all to go out and buy this month's issue of MAXIM magazine. You will definatley change your mind about drug legalization.

 

[Spas]

Wow. I feel for ya, Mofodela-they must be a bit harsher out in Rockville, because over here in Harford County the kids with souped up cars and trucks practically get away with murder, lol. I feel bad for those who've invested a lot of time and money into their ride, just to end up being ticketed for something so trivial as clear ligth lenses. When I make Deputy (eventually, lol) I have no intention of deliberately being an @$$ and handing out citations for blue bulbs or what have you, unless the Perp is being a royal pain. We work hard to show off what we've got, and as long as it's not potentially life threatening, like a rear bumper riding 4 feet off the ground (sorry, offroaders-but a Honda will fill the space under there quite nicely in an accident), I won't be harrassing any customizers.

 

[expo5.0]

rick, are you from minnesota? i never knew that. i would also like to add that i have smoked plenty and drank since 8th grade. but once the novelty wore off in like tenth grade i have only done it responsibly. i too am an example that doing some drugs and drinking at a young age won't make you a bad kid. i was accepted to dartmouth, middlebury, and williams i wish i could have attended dartmouth but our finances changed and i couldn't afford to attend any of them.

 

[Rubyn]

I think its because you have a flashy ride..... that always gets them, you know why, cause its probley better then theres and they are jelouse!!! Or they just have nothing better to do...... thats how it is where I live. Better luck next time.

 

[FastAZZ4.0]

amen rick

well i totally agree with you on the whole "old enough to die for your country, but not old enough to drink ". i have been in the marine corps for the past 5 years since graduating high school, and plan on another 15 minimum. i hated it when i was out on my last 6 month deployment to the mediterranean in the 24th MEU. some of my guys were under 21 and couldn't drink without the fear of being caught and charged.
then 9-11-01 happened while we were out there, and they were willing to throw us out into that whole mix ( which we would have loved to go in and kick some ass ). they'll hand us an M-16, and tell us to point and kill, but won't let us grab a beer and chill.

 

[Frshpwdr2k]

Copz like that are B*TCH

Man cops who get kids in trouble for havin a couple beers at a party are just on a power trip. Thatz Bullsh*t to say that kids shouldnt drink til 21, gotta experiment a little. U always hear about all these kids who don't drink at all in high school then hit college time and they start drinking and don't know how to do it responsibly. They have to learn the hard way about drinking to much and girls get taken advantage of and everything....let kids have their fun if their safe.

 

[RytM1]

That's the point behind it, if they can not be responsible enough at 21 years old, what makes you think they can do it at a younger age? It's at the younger ages when the girls are being taken advantage of by hormone enraged guys. Alcohol is a powerful thing, and like a drug to teens. They have a hard enough time keeping their minds on school as it is, let alone going out on a bender with their friends, and missing school the next day because of a hangover. The kids end up missing too much school, dropping out, or being expelled. Next thing you know, they are working someplace asking if u want fries with that burger because they don't have a diploma, and can't get hired anywhere else. They will continue living in your house, while you support them, and they drink away their $150 weekly paychecks.

 

[Hammer]

I have read through this post pretty well and the one thing that stands out to me and should be pointed out to everyone involved is...
We all have our own opinions, we all are given the right to voice those opinions. We should respect that right and fight those who would opose or dimish that right.

Instead of voicing my opinion on the matters brought up in this thread I choose to recognize the fact that we all can come together and voice our opinions and we need to all recognize that these opinions are just that "opinions" and that we live in a society that keeps one mans opinion from becoming an entire societies law!
We do have quite a bit of Fat in our countries government, law enforcement agencies etc. and that most of the leaders are brainless, gutless Figureheads but we put them into those offices and we voted for the laws that are in place.
If you dont like it you can move to the middle east and be told what your religion is going to be and how you are going to fit into society including Home, Job, schooling for your children, if any. OR you can get out and do something about it.
Truth is most of us do not vote, nor get involved in the "political" process. We just complain about what other people have voted on or in.
Thank God and those who have fought for those rights both on this soil and abroad!

Oh yeah
Save Ferris

 

[tbomb]

Originally posted by RytM1
That's the point behind it, if they can not be responsible enough at 21 years old, what makes you think they can do it at a younger age? It's at the younger ages when the girls are being taken advantage of by hormone enraged guys. Alcohol is a powerful thing, and like a drug to teens. They have a hard enough time keeping their minds on school as it is, let alone going out on a bender with their friends, and missing school the next day because of a hangover. The kids end up missing too much school, dropping out, or being expelled. Next thing you know, they are working someplace asking if u want fries with that burger because they don't have a diploma, and can't get hired anywhere else. They will continue living in your house, while you support them, and they drink away their $150 weekly paychecks.

geez, you really dont give anyone credit at all, do you? i havent read the previous posts on this thread in a long time, and quite honestly, i dont have 4 hours right now to go back and read them all, but im assuming from a statement like that, youre a cop (or are a staunch supporter of cops.) give it a rest already. hammer97 made some good points (though he also made some points that i dont presonally agree with, but i only mention his name because his post was recent); we all have different opinions...if youre a cop, thats what youre supossed to be "protecting", instead of trying to tell the whole world how you think things should be run.

 

[espnfreak]

Tbaum he is a cop

 

[hornz2000]

Where do you get the attitude that most kids who drink underage will end up dropping out of school and being bums the rest of their lives. That is a real shi**y attitude to have. Basically you are ridiculing the lives of most high school juniors/seniors and usually younger, in which some of them will grow up to be successful in life. Granted, a number of them, if not the majority, will end up asking if you want a fries with your burger. However, in a extremely limited number of instances is alchohol the only perpetrator. Usually, it is due to a number of other circumstances, such as financial situation, demographics, parents (if they have any), and so forth. It sounds to me like if the world isn't run the way you want it to be, screw everyone. BTW, I can't remember the last weekend I wasn't Another BTW, I just scored a 1390 on my SAT, have a 3.5 GPA, and plan on attending Vanderbilt next year. I just think that was shallow of you to say, singling out alcohol as the only determining factor in the downfall of underage kids. All I have to say is, take a drive through South Dallas sometime and then tell me if alcohol is the main factor behind those kids' downfalls. More times than not, the parents of those less fortunate kids are their downfall. In South Dallas, usually if the kid isn't a superstar in some sport, he/she will be forced to ask you if you want fries with your burger because of their parents' financial situation, etc. There are a special few that make it out and do great things with their lives, though.

 

[Rick]

IMHO, it's better to get the partying out of your system before 21. They should never have raised the drinking age from 18.

I would rather kids drink a beer than inhale paint, freon, or any of the other quick and easy ways for them to get a rush.

 

[Trckmagik]

Amen, I couldnt have said it better! We would not have the drug problem w/ todays youth. Just my 2 cents.

 

[racinjason68]

My opinion is who in there right mind if drinking and driving is gonna be drinking out of a shot glass anyways? Hell just tip the bottle or put it in a styrofoam cup... like i would take the time to pour it in a shot glass to take a drink... stop and think about that justa bit... kinda funny huh....

 

[spiper]

Wow, I haven't read this thread for awhile, and it has really changed. Hell, I drank just about every weekend as a kid (teen aged high schooler). I went on to spend 10 years in some of the best units in the Army and then become a firefighter. Hell yes I was a terrible kid. I did and got caught for bad stuff. But I did turn out ok. I have taken lives, saved lives and brought life into the world. I used to sport a Ranger tab, Combat Infantry Badge and a Bronze Star. Now I am a humble civil servant doing my best to protect the lives and property of my neighbors. I may tip a few too many on occasion but I still think I turned out to be a good man, father and friend, regardless of the mistakes I made as a kid. Kids will be kids and we can't change that, no matter how hard we try.

 

[kaised]

Just stumbled across this thread, reminded me of one of NYC's finest cops. The one my girlfriend used to date. The one that was an alcoholic, the one the beat her and her children and went to jail. The one that threatened to kill her and now won't pay child support. There's way too many bad cops out there hiding behind a badge and blue lights. When you put someone in a position of power, 9 out of 10 times they abuse it. Look at all the Catholic priests. I don't doubt that there are good cops out there, but I sincerely hope that within my life, I see the bad ones flushed out and exposed. Ask this message board 1 year ago how they feel about the clergy and I'd bet you'd get a much different answer then you'd get now. I can only hope the PD gets thier cover blown in the same manner. First the priests, next the police...

 

[rocket 5979]

Re: amen rick

Originally posted by FastAZZ4.0
well i totally agree with you on the whole "old enough to die for your country, but not old enough to drink ". i have been in the marine corps for the past 5 years since graduating high school, and plan on another 15 minimum. i hated it when i was out on my last 6 month deployment to the mediterranean in the 24th MEU. some of my guys were under 21 and couldn't drink without the fear of being caught and charged.
then 9-11-01 happened while we were out there, and they were willing to throw us out into that whole mix ( which we would have loved to go in and kick some ass ). they'll hand us an M-16, and tell us to point and kill, but won't let us grab a beer and chill.

i completely agree with what he said last page. when i joined the military i was just barely 18. and the first place i went to was kosovo. as part of our normal routine we would hear the howitzers shooting lume rounds into the air as the rangers tried to track the U.C.K down. whenever we went to the checkpoints we were building we would go over mine fields which were said to be cleared though kids had been blown to peices not too long after that. we even had a local terrorist with a mortar tube mounted in the back of his truck that would launch them at our camp in the earlier days. as part of our OPSEC our convoy departure and arrival times were classified due to interceptions over the net so that we would not be blown up because some local idiot got a wild hair up their ass to SEE JUST HOW ACCURATE THEIR RPG-7 REALLY CAN BE. now all of this is top just give you an idea of what my fellow brothers and sisters go through everyday while living life in the military regardless of the branch. so after going through all that stuff ,though maybe not as bad as it seems, i go back to the states after putting my M-16A3 down from 7 months of carrying it wherever i went to be told that i cannot have a beer? hehe i just find it a little contradictive. THE GOVERNMENT SAYS"Boy you are old enough and man enough to die for your country" then at the same time THE GOVERNMENT SAYS"Boy you are not responsible enough for alcohol, you are but a child." i just dont get it. and now that i have been an NCO for a few years i see the same question arise from my junior troops when we go to other places. this is just another duality of the way young people are being treated in america.