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I disconnected the muffler, and both O2 sensors. Aside from being louder than holy hell it still ran the same. Would the DPFE sensor cause this? Really don't want to dump any more money into this thing that I don't have to right now. Currently laid off, so money is tight right now.
 



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when I was doing muffler and other exhaust work to check a cat we would drill a small hole 1/4" in front of the cat and check for back pressure with a 5 lb.guage. with the engine running at idle and higher r.p.m.s if the pressure was not more than 1.5 lbs there was no restriction. After the test we would weld the hole shut. Elbow
 






Anybody else know of something that I could try to get this thing running right? It really seems to be using a lot of gas, and it's still running like utter crap. The fuel flow seems to be ok, and I keep checking sensors, but everything seems to check out good. I don't know what else to do. The exhaust doesn't seem to be restricted, and the exhaust smells ok, too. Just at my wit's end, and running out of money and time for this. It is my DD, so I really need to get it going good again! AAAAHHHHRRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!
 






MayJan,
I was thinking ..........you said you replaced the fuel pressure regulator.......right...

Well I have seen new parts that were junk it could be the problem. The reason I think this is my neighbor had the same problem on his s-10 blazer.......replaced fuel pump a couple times, fuel pressure regulator, and a bunch of other things......well a long story short it was his new fuel pressure regulator that was the problem the whole time. worth a shot to look into. Good luck:)
 






I thought about that, too, but it seems to be good. While at idle, the fuel pressure is at 30 PSI, and when you remove the vacuum line from the fuel pressure regulator it goes up to about 40 PSI. For the record, it did this with the "old" regulator also, so I'm guessing that was 75 bucks I didn't need to spend!
 






Another thought.... even though the coil pack checks out with an ohmmeter, could it be cutting out under a load and causing the stuttering/backfiring, etc. that I am seeing? Also, even with a new MAF sensor, it is giving me a 157 code in continuous memory.
Anybody got any more ideas???
 






Ok, I let it sit with the battery disconnected overnight, and re-checked all the sensors, coil, plugs, wires, filters, etc. while it was disconnected. All were well within specs. I reconnected the battery this morning, and drove it around for a while to get everything "back in synch". after about 45 mins of driving around with it still running the same, I parked it and pulled the codes again. The results were:

KOEO
111 (pass)

CM
111 (pass)

KOER
111 (pass)

I'm really starting to lose my mind (what little I have left) over this. I can usually, with help from the fine people on this site, track down and repair anything that goes wrong with the X. I even replaced the tranny by myself a while back! If anybody has any ideas, please feel free to make suggestions. If not, anybody know what the laws are in NC for setting a truck on fire in your front yard?
 






I also checked the resistances on my plug wires, just for ***** and giggles!
The longer wires had @ 5Kohms of resistance, and the shorter ones were around 2.5 to 3Kohms. Is that normal? Geez I'm losing my mind on this!
 






Personally I am not too sure what your problem might be, but I know that if your DPFE sensor is bad that your Ex will be throwing a code (normally stating that your EGR valve is bad). I have read so much right now i have forgetten if you have changed your injectors or not.. But if you have not I would try that. Also sitting here thinking about it.. it sounds to me that your car is running lean so I would keep looking at the fuel pump and ensuring that it is working properly
 






I haven't changed the injectors, but I have used a mechanic's stethoscope to listen to them as they fire, and they all seem to fire right. They are also within tolerance levels as far as resistance is concerned. I also did a compression check, and all turned out well. I really just don't know what else to do with it! Would the camshaft position sensor cause any of my problems? The odd thing is, when it is in park or neutral I can "romp" the gas and it jumps right up like it's supposed to, but when I am driving, it wants to bog and chug unless I just barely press on the gas, sputtering and trying to backfire if I really "get on it". (frustrated)
 






Also still seems to be using WAY too much gas! But still no codes!?!?!?!?! Seems like a problem that is this bad would be throwing a code or two, but nothing!
 






Ok, I reeeaaaaally hate to throw any more money into this thing, but I think I'm gonna head out to buy a crankshaft position sensor, a camshaft position sensor (I do have one on the 94, right?), and maybe a new EGR valve solenoid and DPFE sensor, even though it's not throwing any codes at all, now! Boy, am I getting sick of this! If anybody has anything else to add, chime in, by all means!
 






Another thought.... even though the coil pack checks out with an ohmmeter, could it be cutting out under a load and causing the stuttering/backfiring, etc. that I am seeing? Also, even with a new MAF sensor, it is giving me a 157 code in continuous memory.
Anybody got any more ideas???

I suppose it's possible the coil could have an intermittent failure.
On the MAF, if it's still showing a problem, with a new sensor, maybe it's a problem with a wire? Check all the wires form/to the maf. Look very carefully for any cuts/breaks.

I haven't changed the injectors, but I have used a mechanic's stethoscope to listen to them as they fire, and they all seem to fire right. They are also within tolerance levels as far as resistance is concerned. I also did a compression check, and all turned out well. I really just don't know what else to do with it! Would the camshaft position sensor cause any of my problems? The odd thing is, when it is in park or neutral I can "romp" the gas and it jumps right up like it's supposed to, but when I am driving, it wants to bog and chug unless I just barely press on the gas, sputtering and trying to backfire if I really "get on it". (frustrated)

So, the problem only appears under load? Idles fine too (smooth, steady)?

Also still seems to be using WAY too much gas! But still no codes!?!?!?!?! Seems like a problem that is this bad would be throwing a code or two, but nothing!

Is there any connection between temperature/run time and the problem? I mean will it run fine when cold, then have problems after it warms up? Is it the opposite, runs bad when cold, gets better when hot? Or is there no connection? If there is any connection between the problem and temperature/run time, take a good look at the coolant temp sensor. Some vehicles have 2. One for the gauge, and a seperate one for the ecm. If the ecm is getting incorrect temp info, it can cause all kinds of problems. If the ecm still thinks the engine is cold, when it is not, you will have a very rich mixture, which could send unburnt fuel into the cat, causing it to burn inth cat, and the cat to glow. Conversely, if the engine is colder than the ecm thinks, it won't get enoug fuel, and it will stumlbe/misfire-especially under load. You need to get a scanner on the vehicle and monitor the coolant temp ( or what the ecm thinks it is) and compare to actual temps (with a thermometer of some kind). It would be best to watch it from stone cold (after sitting overnight, through complete warmup)

Ok, I reeeaaaaally hate to throw any more money into this thing, but I think I'm gonna head out to buy a crankshaft position sensor, a camshaft position sensor (I do have one on the 94, right?), and maybe a new EGR valve solenoid and DPFE sensor, even though it's not throwing any codes at all, now! Boy, am I getting sick of this! If anybody has anything else to add, chime in, by all means!

Simply throwing random parts at it is a good way to waste a lot of money. Yes, sometimes parts can fail, without throwing a code, but you should try to test a suspect part, before just replacing it. If you don't even know if you have a camshaft position sensor, then you shouldn't be trying to randomly replace it. Also, you can easily test the function of both the egr valve and the dpfe, using a hand vacum pump. Try looking it up in Haynes manual, try a google search ro search the forum for "egr testing" and/or "dpfe testing". You could also get a subscription to www.alldatadiy.com It's the same repair info shops use. It's only $25 a year, for the first vehicle. They give you big break on subsequent vehicles.
If you can rev the vehicle up ,in nuetral, and it idles, with out a problem, then the crank/cam shaft sensors are not likely to be the problem. Neither of these are "load-based" sensors. They are "rpm-based".

Maybe I missed it, but have you actually disconnected the cats? Cut the pipe if you have to; you can use a $3 coupler and welder (or exhaust clamps) to put it back together. It really sounds like they might be clogged.

Contrary to my, don't just replace it lecture, O2 sensors are a wer itme, and if you know they haven't been replaced in a long time, you could go ahead a try new ones, as they are probably due anyway. A bad O2 sensor can definitely hurt fuel economy, but I've never seen on bad enough to make the cats glow.

Like I said, stop throwing random parts at it, slow down, and think. Take the time to do a little research, and I'll bet you'll find clues that will lead to the answer.
 






man i been havin the same issue with my ex for about a year.. i got tired of throwing parts at it, try unplugging your vac line on the fuel pressure regulator and drive it around the block. i did that on mine, smoothed right out. so i am gonna get a fpr for it. then again i also need a bunch of other crap for mine too.
 






OK,
MY 02
intake backfiring is usually caused by electrical misfire in a stock level engine. I feel you have cross firing occurring, possibly in the coil pack. Is there a chance of crossed spark lug wires?
 






I suppose it's possible the coil could have an intermittent failure.
On the MAF, if it's still showing a problem, with a new sensor, maybe it's a problem with a wire? Check all the wires form/to the maf. Look very carefully for any cuts/breaks.
The MAF code that I had went away after installing the new sensor, and I have traced/inspected all the wires. It just sucks that all this happened all at once!

So, the problem only appears under load? Idles fine too (smooth, steady)?
Yeah, it seems to idle about as smooth as it did before this problem.
Is there any connection between temperature/run time and the problem? I mean will it run fine when cold, then have problems after it warms up? Is it the opposite, runs bad when cold, gets better when hot? Or is there no connection? If there is any connection between the problem and temperature/run time, take a good look at the coolant temp sensor. Some vehicles have 2. One for the gauge, and a seperate one for the ecm. If the ecm is getting incorrect temp info, it can cause all kinds of problems. If the ecm still thinks the engine is cold, when it is not, you will have a very rich mixture, which could send unburnt fuel into the cat, causing it to burn inth cat, and the cat to glow. Conversely, if the engine is colder than the ecm thinks, it won't get enoug fuel, and it will stumlbe/misfire-especially under load. You need to get a scanner on the vehicle and monitor the coolant temp ( or what the ecm thinks it is) and compare to actual temps (with a thermometer of some kind). It would be best to watch it from stone cold (after sitting overnight, through complete warmup)
It doesn't matter whether it has been running for a while, or just started after sitting overnight, it's the same both ways!
Maybe I missed it, but have you actually disconnected the cats? Cut the pipe if you have to; you can use a $3 coupler and welder (or exhaust clamps) to put it back together. It really sounds like they might be clogged.
I did disconnect them and inspect them. They looked ok to me, but I took it to the exhaust shop anyway. They said that the cats were still in good shape. They did a temp check and a pressure check. I figure that if they were in good enough shape that the shop didn't try to sell me something, then they were probably good!
Contrary to my, don't just replace it lecture, O2 sensors are a wer itme, and if you know they haven't been replaced in a long time, you could go ahead a try new ones, as they are probably due anyway. A bad O2 sensor can definitely hurt fuel economy, but I've never seen on bad enough to make the cats glow.
I checked the circuit and the O2 sensors themselves with a meter, and they "read" good.
Like I said, stop throwing random parts at it, slow down, and think. Take the time to do a little research, and I'll bet you'll find clues that will lead to the answer.
Trust me, I have done a ton of research! The only parts that I have replaced were ones that either didn't check out, or were in some way suspect. I only asked about the cam and crank sensors to see if they might be in some way connected to my problem. I didn't think they were, hence I haven't replaced them.....YET!! Ahrgghh!!
OK,
MY 02
intake backfiring is usually caused by electrical misfire in a stock level engine. I feel you have cross firing occurring, possibly in the coil pack. Is there a chance of crossed spark lug wires?
No, there is no chance of that. It just started doing this all of the sudden, and even though I have pulled all of that apart, I have double, triple, and quadruple checked everything!!
It really does just seem like this thing isn't getting enough gas when it's under load. I just can't find anything that would support that hypothesis!
 






I really do hate to spend money on something that I don't need, but does anyone think that replacing the O2 sensors would be a good idea? They seem ok, but maybe there's a connection. I'm getting crappy gas mileage, and it seems like the mixture is really lean, causing stuttering and light backfiring under a load. For ~$50 apiece, that seems like a lot of cash if it doesn't fix things. I just hate having to drive like the gas pedal is a land mine I'm afraid to step on!
 






For the most part o2 sensors are something you dont know are bad untill you dont pass a DEQ TEST. ( Runs ok but wont pass an emmisions test) . Elbow
 






In reviewing the thread ,I didnt see where you had replaced the coolant temperature sensor, If it is bad it will cause poor fuel milage and run bad at normal operating temps. Elbow
 



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have you tried driving with the fuel pressure guage on it to see if it drops pressure
 






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