LD50 Full-size axle thread `93 Ex

[Burns]

Yup i have a big bearing third member set up and the big bearings on axle shafts.

 

[ld50]

Where did you get the axles again? I don`t suppose you have any other measurements like flange to flange (housing length) or shaft length huh?

 

[Burns]

Im gonna run out in just a few and measure from flange to flange.

 

[Burns]

Flange to Flange approx 59 & 1/2"

This is close. I couldn't get the measurement 100% correct but this is really close

 

[ld50]

Thanks for that, it must be hard to measure when it`s all together.
I can get accurate with mine apart.
60 & 1/2 or 60 & 9/16, can`t decide.

I found this list on the net, which of course doesn`t help, although there is some vehicles missing..


Width: from housing flange
to housing flange (Y)
57-59 Ford/Edsel - 52"
60-64 Ford/Mercury - 54-56"
70-79 Ranchero/Torino - 56"
57-72 F-100 pickup - 57"
73-86 F-150 pickup/78-86 Bronco - 58 3/4"
66-77 Bronco - 46"
67-70 Mustang/Cougar/Fairlane/Comet/Falcon - 52-54"
70-73 Mustang family - 54"
58-60 Thunderbird - 50"
65-66 Mustang - 52"
66-69 Cyclone - 52"
61-67 Thunderbird - 56"

 

[ld50]

unbelieveable, parts store is stumped, WTF can`t I find replacement shafts!

What I know -Or what the internet tells me, actually.

The third member I have was forged in 1972
The housing is known as an "old style" or "banjo housing

The dana 44 reasearches a little different:
From Mr. N http://77cj.littlekeylime.com/web_rs44.html

In 1976 the axles coil mounting cast brackets were slightly changed.
The front passenger’s side was made with the Panhard bar attachment
cast in to it. Additionally 1976 was the first year Ford offered disk
brakes as a standard option, although several late 75's have been
rumored to have disks. This axle stayed the same for 1977 for the
F100 and F150. The 1976-year also saw the release of the 3.00
gear set in December.

My dana 44 has disc brakes (always or was it changed??)
If the axles were both as is, as was, they have to be from a post 75 vehicle..hmmm, but the 3rd member apparently was built in `72..

This also from Mr. N:

In 1977.5 Ford’s new F250 axle now started to appear.
Previously, the F250 ran a standard rotation closed knuckle axle
(see reference pictures below.) This axle for the F250 44RS is
slightly different than the F100 & F150 offered in 1977. The F250
is a little wider than the F100 & F150, for the wider 8 wheel bolt hub.
The F250 also has 3" wide axle tubes with ½” thick tube walls, and the
axle has many different small changes from the F100 & F150 to include
larger brakes. This axle stayed this way until it changed to the Twin
Traction Beam (TTB) IFS system of the 1980 model year.

Plot thickens, my dana 44 is 3 inches wide, what does this mean? because it most certainly does not have an 8 lug nut hub, however, it would be easy to convert, right?
PS I don`t know how thick they are

BUT

In 1978 the 44RS had its largest change to date for the F100 & F150, which stayed with the axle until the transformation to IFS in 1980. Spicer changed the coil mounting brackets from separate cast brackets that held on the radius arms to a new design that was a single piece per side, with the tubes pressed into the ends of the casting. The center of the cast pieces does not have a tube that passes through it! (See Picture 14) Instead, a tube is pressed on both ends and welded together. This system came with outer tubes 3/8” thick and center tubes 3/8” or ¼” thick.

So my d44 has GOT to be a 78/79 axle as indicated by the cast pieces with no center tube, I recall researching this last year, and there is no tube in there.
So it would seem someone scabbed in an older rear axle into what was probably a bronco or f-150.
But the width is different? I don`t think the rear is wider than the front, track- width wise, but we are only talking about 3/4 of an inch here, which is what "they" say a 1973-1979 Ford pickup measured as. I don`t know if I would have noticed that, so it is possible.
I`m thinking that the rear 9 inch is a 72 F-100 axle, BUT my parts store has either given up or these axles are really not available.

Anyway, I`m trying to find info on 72 F-100s. It`s actually depressing to think that a vehicle built in my lifetime is so obscure these days, geez I`m old.

 

[IZwack]

Measure the inner shaft you broke (both parts) and compare it to Warn's:
http://www.warn.com/truck/axles/inner_axle_app.shtml

 

[ld50]

Izwack!

The D44 is repaired and re-built now, the measurements are lost!
Hold that thought though..
Short inner spicer # 27902-4X
long inner spicer# 27902-3X

A shucks, I can`t find the measurements I wrote down..

 

[IZwack]

Ahah sorry ld50, I skimmed through your previous post and obviously missed some vital details

 

[ld50]

Yeah, I`m pretty sure these axles were not from the same vehicle, so it probly wouldn`t help.
I haven`t seen you miss a detail before, I`m flabbergasted.

 

[ld50]

I`m screwed man!
I talked with a 67-72 Ford F-100 enthusiast (fordification.com)
He was nice enough to measure a 72 9-inch for me, here is his reply:

OK, here are the measurements I got:

- overall width, axle flange to axle flange - 61-1/4"
- housing width - tube flange to tube flange - 56-1/4"
- axles, length - 29-7/8"

What the hell? How is this happening?

 

[ld50]

Anyone heard of swapping side gears from a Detroit no-spin?
Like changing 28-31?
Where to buy new side gears? hmm?

 

[Burns]

You could prob get them from detroit. The only thing i can think of

 

[james t]

Would it be that hard to find a later model 9" and ditch the one you have? I dont know how rare they are up there, but around here you can get a good late 70's/80's 9" truck or big bronco rear for dirt cheap- maybe even free. This would solve alot of your problems.

 

[ld50]

That`s kinda where I`m getting at with the re-build the locker idea, but I actually think I found 31 spline shafts the same length as mine.
Both my axles are the same width, [that never existed] So I don`t know if I can find the same width 9 inch (cuz apparently, they never made them that width) Early ford vans seem closest, but are 3/4" difference. At least the brake assemblies would be a easy swap.
pain in the but huh?

 

[ld50]

Here`s my axle for sale, I got excited, but HE DOESN`T Know where it came from!

It`s taunting me.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-9-inch-Rear-Axle-Assembly-F-150_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33728QQihZ016QQitemZ260158645976QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

Hey if anyone has an E-bay account help me out and e-mail him for an identification, maybe if he thinks there is a lot of interest he will have the means to identify it.

 

[Burns]

Ok ill email him now and see if he can get anythign for me. lol

 

[ld50]

Shucks, here`s what he told me.

Um...nope...I got it this way and have no idea where it came from. But, keep an eye on the auction. Maybe someone will know.

 

[Burns]

Same luck:

Nope sorry....I don't know anything about 9" axles....and got this "as is". But, keep an eye on the auction, maybe someone else will know.

 

[FROADER]

I got the same.

Nope....I have no idea....and don't know anything about 9" axles. Keep an eye on the auction, maybe someone else may know.

- big79jp