5.OL shortblock swap

[snoranger]

sno u sure about that?? thats crazy, i will look though...

Yup, 100% sure! That cam was only used in the 93 t-bird (I assume the 93 cougar too) and the 93-95 Cobra.

 

[Flippindabird]

so this weekend was supposed to be the weekend that the project was fnally finished. my friend came to my house with $1000s worth of tools and his 10 years of Atech experience thinking "this will be a 2-3 hour job to get the engine out" and "you are an amature". we started friday night for a few hours... then went and had too many drinks and got up around 10am went to walmart and the parts store to pick up some stuff and back home to start working about 4pm until 12amsunday... found that the oil pump was seized in the new engine and twisted the pump driveshaft and it fell into the block... remvoed with no visible damage, and went to advance because they were the only ppl with a stock oil pump that was open at 8pm... side note: at advance there was a carshow and we spotted a REAL 289 Shelby Cobra... worked until 12a then went barhopping in NY to relieve the stress that this POS has put on us... started work again around 3pm after walmart and autozone for tools and food... did not BS much and by 5am this morning we had the motor PULLED OUT!
this thing fought tooth and nail. EVERY bolt was corroded or galled... Matco Impact guns would not budge some of these things... some were so bad we had to cut them off, the top starter bolt had to be ground off and still cracked the ear... 1 intake bolt broke off in the head (anyone got any ideas to remove this without going to the machine shop it is not quite flush... then when we had ALL bolts out and the hoist connected, the engine WOULD NOT SEPARATE FROM THE TRANNY!
i have some lovely video of us trying to free the engine that was taken with my friends phone, we dont have a micro USB here to upload from his phone right now but i will post as soon as we get it...
ill get some pics when my wife gets back with new batteries for my camera... it seems to us that the guy assembling this thing at the factory dipped each and every bolt or stud in salt water before installing it and then sprayed the whole thing in saltwater afterwards for good measure... yay its out.... now to get the new engine assembled and put it back in, unfortunately i have to wait on parts to assemble the new engine so the truck will have to sit a few more weeks:thumbdwn:

 

[Flippindabird]

BTW my friend is a ford guy, and this thing has convinced him that "FORDS SUCK" and he's selling his mustang to get a camaro LMAO!!!
he is now mad at me for putting it in his head 15 years ago that a fox body mustang is best bang for your buck in drag racing

 

[Turdle]

The dowels will sometimes hold tight, and if the engine is in a bind against them they may not slide well. The engine and trans must slide straight apart from each other for about 3/4" . Pulling up on the engine will make more "bind"




Also, just to be sure--you did remove 4 torque converter nuts yes?

 

[Flippindabird]

yeah man must have been the dowels, you gotta see the video, im waiting on him to get it to me... ALL bolts were out... never saw nothing like this thing, and i will never change an engine on one of these again LOL

 

[Flippindabird]

im thinking of going with a 93 cobra cam(1.7 rockers) because of the bad reveiws ive read about the ecam in the explorer/mounty's then trading the ecam to my friend for some cash and a HO cam... if anyone wants an HO cam let me know... i got some time before the engine will be ready to go back in, im gonna smooth out the "egr ridge" in the intake elbow tomorrow, my friend took the intake upper and lower home to port it... we checked the exhaust gaskets from e7te heads and they match up just about perfect with the GT40Ps, if there is any difference its barely visble, we are contemplating taking a set of mustang shortys and modding them to fit the explorer (we will obviously have to change the collector location) but anyway if anyone has done this and has some pointers please let me know

 

[Flippindabird]

What size are the injectors on the explorer/ mountys... What heads are on the 93 and up tbirds

 

[snoranger]

What size are the injectors on the explorer/ mountys... What heads are on the 93 and up tbirds

19lb ... Stock HO heads. (not 93+, 94 was the first year of the 4.6l)

 

[Flippindabird]

Ok whats the stock compression ratio for my 99 5.0 and does anyon know what cc the chambers are on 90 e7te heads? Im trying to calculate the cr on 90 ho 5.0 shortblock with gt40p heads... Hoping for around 10:1 for more torque

 

[Flippindabird]

What plug wires do u guys use? Pn please i ordered 9mm from summit but they are wrong

 

[Turdle]

http://www.google.com/products/cata...&sa=X&ei=30UWTuSTOs6isQLZk7g2&ved=0CFEQ8gIwAQ

orielly might have them for less $$
part number
YU2Z12259BA--or YU2E12259BA
motorcraft WR6034

http://www.rockauto.com/dbphp/mak,F...+FI+%28P%29,Ignition,7228,Spark+Plug+Wire+Set

 

[Flippindabird]

man thats alot for stock sized wires... guess we dont have a real choice though huh? def gonna get them at rockauto for 30 less... we dont have an orielly around here... what plugs you guys run?? i got NGK Vpower from summit but my friend said i should use ac delco rapidfire

 

[Turdle]

autolite platinum

 

[GRNMACHINE]

autolite platinum

x2

 

[Flippindabird]

new question, how the hell do i get the harmonic balancer assembly off the crank shaft? my 4 jaw puller wont work, friends 3 jaw puller wont work...

 

[Flippindabird]

figured id add some details while im not busy at work... the "shortblock swap" has turned into long block swap... i scored a set of ported and reman'd heads for 250 shipped... having them milled .010" to get the compression back to stock(the 90 5.0L H.O. pistons have an 8cc dish(i cc'd them to be sure) so if i take a little off the heads it should be near the stock compression ratio i didnt want to go crazy with the milling because i was afraid reducing the small combustion chambers to even smaller may impede airflow and combustion charecteristics... besides if it doesnt make as much power as it should due to less compression at least it will be better with reg pump gas LOL... ive also changed my Ecam for a H.O. cam due to reading so many ppl on here say that the Ecam is the wrong choice for a heavy vehicle, i am not one to leave things stock so i figured a H.o. cam was a little better without being overboard and im shopping for a set of cobra 1.7 rockers, should be a little easier ont he stock computer as well... ive seen this same combo make 260 rwhp in mustangs (with headers and a good exhaust) so it should be a bit better then the stocker... i also ground down the EGR bump in the intake elbow for a little smoother transition and i cleaned up the casting on the intake a little nothing serious just took out the big flash... need a few more parts and some more free time my goal is to have her driving and all the bugs worked out by the end of summer so lets keep our collective fingers crossed

 

[Flippindabird]

well end of summer is here and she still needs the long block assembled, i have everything out being cleaned... gonna paint it ford blue because the heads i got are already ford blue and leaks will be easy to spot... only thing i should need is sparkplug wires i have everythingelse... just finished porting the lower intake and got rid of the little EGR bump in the elbow... out of curiosity is there a definate reason to use the elbow at all or can i get away with just the throttlebody? im not worried about the fact that the air intake wont join up i have that covered, thanks , just need to get my butt in gear

 

[Flippindabird]

does anyone have a pick of where the studs go on the heads?

 

[bigtang]

which studs?

what heads did you end up going w/? i was confused by that last post about the heads.

And as for the stock 5.0 pistons having a dish, you're referring to the 4 valve reliefs and not an actual dish right? either way, you need a 53cc head to make over 10:1 on a stock piston since they typically sit in the hole a little, though some have reported at much as .010 out.

if you run the stock HO cam have you considered putting it in 2* advanced to pick up a little low end?

final question, how do you set up the DIS/cam position sensor when you put it all back together? I've got mine torn down right now putting in a 1087 cam and new springs.

 

[Flippindabird]

GT40P heads just a fresh rebuilt set hand ported by me and my friend... going to have them cc around 56 to hopefully get around 9.5:1

some of the head bolts are studs and they come in the arp kit, but i do not know where they go... i remember pulling them off but i did not make a diagram so id remember

for 2* advance on the HO cam... has anyone done that?? i was going to install it straight up... should have 300lb/ft or more total tq i dont think its going to be hurting for it but if thats the case, would advancing the stock cam 2* do the same or no???

the stock explorer pistons are flatop with valve reliefs... the stock mustang pistons are dished and 4 valve relief(i cc'd them myself and got 8cc) the sensor goes back just like a distributor would alot simpler then i thought it would be as well...
hopefully ill have an update by next weekend i should be able to spend some time on it, im getting a couple days off