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Dexter Morgan

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With today's DST spring ahead 1 hour, my 2013 with mft v3.5.1 clock did not change automatically. Under clock, the DST button has been removed with v3.5.1. Are we just supposed to manually set the clock? The GPS sync reset and time zone option enabled didn't change. Anyone know?
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With today's DST spring ahead 1 hour, my 2013 with mft v3.5.1 clock did not change automatically. Under clock, the DST button has been removed with v3.5.1. Are we just supposed to manually set the clock? The GPS sync reset and time zone option enabled didn't change. Anyone know?
Thanks
I just revived an old thread in the 'Discussion' form and entered the following post;

I believe the recent two upgrades were also to ensure that the DST would automatically be set by the GPS according to your time zone. Well, it didn't work for me. Despite having all clock settings set to have it work, I still had to manually adjust the time ahead 1 hour.

Peter
 






Just went outside to check the Ex and it didn't change.
Made sure Nav was getting GPS signal.
Time zone button did nothing.
GPS sync reset said cannot do or something to that effect.
Can confirm GPS sync reset works though, as I changed the minutes and then hit GPS sync reset and the minutes reset. Why the hour did not change for DST is anybody's guess. Maybe Ford thinks we all live in Arizona or someplace else where the time doesn't change.:D
 






Just went outside to check the Ex and it didn't change.
Made sure Nav was getting GPS signal.
Time zone button did nothing.
GPS sync reset said cannot do or something to that effect.
Can confirm GPS sync reset works though, as I changed the minutes and then hit GPS sync reset and the minutes reset. Why the hour did not change for DST is anybody's guess. Maybe Ford thinks we all live in Arizona or someplace else where the time doesn't change.:D
According to a post by Rebecca on 12-04-2012 in the 'Discussion' Forum, V3.5.1 was supposed to fix this so the time would automatically change according to the time zone you are in.
Quote: Software v3.5.1 eliminates having to change DST. Unquote.

Obviously it did not.

Rebecca??????

Peter
 






Mine did not change automatically. (3.5.1)
 






Mine didn't change either, and GPS setting didn't change it either. I guess the comment
Software v3.5.1 eliminates having to change DST
is technically correct, so long as I don't mind being an hour late for everything! :)
 






Same here, clock did not update; thought it was supposed to....
 






it was....
just like the everything else the MFT does
 






I bet you they used the old DST dates in the configuration for when to change forward/back :) We'll see if the clocks magically change an hour come the first Sunday of April.
 






I bet you they used the old DST dates in the configuration for when to change forward/back :) We'll see if the clocks magically change an hour come the first Sunday of April.
That's a possibility. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
BTW, as I posted in a similar thread in the 'Discussion' forum, IVT has been surprisingly silent on this latest 'non functioning' function.

Peter
 






I'm here, Peter. You were doing a wonderful job of answering everyone's questions, so I didn't want to butt in. ;) I misunderstood what I was previously told; I apologize for that.

With that said, the system is working as intended. The SYNC module won't correct for daylight savings time. GPS time is reported in UTC time; UTC also doesn't correct for daylight savings time. If you have navigation and the RESET TO GPS TIME button is pressed, the module will reset the time and default to UTC. Since we spring forward an hour for daylight savings, you'll have to go into the clock settings and increment the time by an hour.

Rebecca
 






You do realize how foolish that sounds, right? "We know that the system will yield the incorrect time for people in 49 of 50 states and that is exactly what we expect it to do."

That is just ridiculous. My $99 Garmin GPS which syncs with the same GPS satellites figured out DST but my $43K Explorer can't figure it out!

My problem is how unfinished this whole system is. I have a 2005 Acura and while it was certainly ahead of its time in 2005 it's voice recognition, navigation, media player control and Bluetooth far exceed MyFord Touch in terms of consistent reliability and ease of use.

It really stinks that I got to be an unwitting guinea pig for an experiment from Ford Motor Company. Oh yeah and I get to pay for it as well. The fact that we need to get online in an unsponsored forum to try get help because our dealers have not a clue is ridiculous.

So thanks for designing a system with a clock set function that is by design intended to be incorrect for 98% of your customers.
 






WOW!!!!
Such a tirade. Can anyone in Texas help him push the button every 6 months or so?
 






I wish it was push a button every 6 months. Hell if that was the only problem I had I would not have had to seek out this forum. My Ex has been in shop 8 times since Oct for MyFord Touch issues. This product was poorly designed, poorly implemented and now poorly supported. I can only go into my dealer between 9am and 11am because that is the only time they have someone who can spell MyFord Touch. I asked a "manager" at Ford Customer Service to help me find a dealer in Houston (4th largest city in the US) who had someone who understood the system and after promising to get back to me she never did.

The very fact that we have the forum is an indication of a huge failure. I would challenge you to find a forum for other car manufacturers where users are using a community in the place of the dealers and the manufacturer.

Then to hear the official Ford answer of "It is working exactly as we designed it" pushed me right over the edge. My $25 bedside clock that somehow syncs with some Atomic clock on a mountain in Colorado. It figured out DST before I even woke up Sunday morning and so did my iPad, Android Phone, laptop, DirecTV box and nearly everything else in my house, and this included my 8 year old Acura. The only clocks I had to set were my microwave and my Ex.

The trouble is not pushing a button. The problem is that Ford sells this thing as the smartest and most advanced vehicle system on the planet. They tout the integration and the advanced technology. In truth Ford designed this system to have a clock that is no smarter than my microwave oven we have a much bigger problem and are paying far to much for it. That is not even the worst part. The worst part is that when faced with this minor insignificant but annoying problem do they say "that is a great point, we ought to look into that. I will send a note to the product team"? No, they say "it is working perfectly and we designed it to be wrong for the majority of our customers."

I am sorry but it really gives me little to no hope that I will ever get around the endless bluetooth skipping problems, the random reboots I still get at least weekly of the fact that playing through USB or even connecting to my phone is hit and miss. Maybe it is working exactly as they expect and it was designed that way.

The dirty secret that is not often told is that MyFord Touch was a flawed implementation from the beginning. I work closely with Microsoft on multi-million dollar agreements on the corporate IT side and just to be funny I told one of our reps how my Microsoft car was rebooting all the time. He got real serious and said he would have someone call me. A day later I get a call from a Microsoft Product Manager who explained to me how Ford went out on their own an contracted with a company BSquare to build MyFord Touch on top of the MS Sync technology. The project was such a failure after the 11 EXs were released that Ford went back to Microsoft hat in hand and asked for help. Microsoft took over MyFord Touch last year and has been trying to fix it. If you need proof of this take a look at the 10-Q from BSquare: http://www.gurufocus.com/news/197473/bsquare-corp-reports-operating-results-10q . Maybe Microsoft can fix it, maybe they can't but the bottom line is the whole thing is a mess and I while I love many things about the Ex and think it is a great car, I regret the day I let them sell me MyFord Touch.
 






" I regret the day I let them sell me MyFord Touch"
Well said, so do I !!!!!
 






I wish it was push a button every 6 months. Hell if that was the only problem I had I would not have had to seek out this forum. My Ex has been in shop 8 times since Oct for MyFord Touch issues. This product was poorly designed, poorly implemented and now poorly supported. I can only go into my dealer between 9am and 11am because that is the only time they have someone who can spell MyFord Touch. I asked a "manager" at Ford Customer Service to help me find a dealer in Houston (4th largest city in the US) who had someone who understood the system and after promising to get back to me she never did.

The very fact that we have the forum is an indication of a huge failure. I would challenge you to find a forum for other car manufacturers where users are using a community in the place of the dealers and the manufacturer.

Then to hear the official Ford answer of "It is working exactly as we designed it" pushed me right over the edge. My $25 bedside clock that somehow syncs with some Atomic clock on a mountain in Colorado. It figured out DST before I even woke up Sunday morning and so did my iPad, Android Phone, laptop, DirecTV box and nearly everything else in my house, and this included my 8 year old Acura. The only clocks I had to set were my microwave and my Ex.

The trouble is not pushing a button. The problem is that Ford sells this thing as the smartest and most advanced vehicle system on the planet. They tout the integration and the advanced technology. In truth Ford designed this system to have a clock that is no smarter than my microwave oven we have a much bigger problem and are paying far to much for it. That is not even the worst part. The worst part is that when faced with this minor insignificant but annoying problem do they say "that is a great point, we ought to look into that. I will send a note to the product team"? No, they say "it is working perfectly and we designed it to be wrong for the majority of our customers."

I am sorry but it really gives me little to no hope that I will ever get around the endless bluetooth skipping problems, the random reboots I still get at least weekly of the fact that playing through USB or even connecting to my phone is hit and miss. Maybe it is working exactly as they expect and it was designed that way.

The dirty secret that is not often told is that MyFord Touch was a flawed implementation from the beginning. I work closely with Microsoft on multi-million dollar agreements on the corporate IT side and just to be funny I told one of our reps how my Microsoft car was rebooting all the time. He got real serious and said he would have someone call me. A day later I get a call from a Microsoft Product Manager who explained to me how Ford went out on their own an contracted with a company BSquare to build MyFord Touch on top of the MS Sync technology. The project was such a failure after the 11 EXs were released that Ford went back to Microsoft hat in hand and asked for help. Microsoft took over MyFord Touch last year and has been trying to fix it. If you need proof of this take a look at the 10-Q from BSquare: http://www.gurufocus.com/news/197473/bsquare-corp-reports-operating-results-10q . Maybe Microsoft can fix it, maybe they can't but the bottom line is the whole thing is a mess and I while I love many things about the Ex and think it is a great car, I regret the day I let them sell me MyFord Touch.

Couldn't have said it better! Spot on!
 






You do realize how foolish that sounds, right? "We know that the system will yield the incorrect time for people in 49 of 50 states and that is exactly what we expect it to do."

That is just ridiculous. My $99 Garmin GPS which syncs with the same GPS satellites figured out DST but my $43K Explorer can't figure it out!

My problem is how unfinished this whole system is. I have a 2005 Acura and while it was certainly ahead of its time in 2005 it's voice recognition, navigation, media player control and Bluetooth far exceed MyFord Touch in terms of consistent reliability and ease of use.

It really stinks that I got to be an unwitting guinea pig for an experiment from Ford Motor Company. Oh yeah and I get to pay for it as well. The fact that we need to get online in an unsponsored forum to try get help because our dealers have not a clue is ridiculous.

So thanks for designing a system with a clock set function that is by design intended to be incorrect for 98% of your customers.
And to top it off, they offer reset buttons in MFT that you think do something! :mad: This whole system is just pure confusion to deal with!
 






Another thing of note:

It appears that when you "go manual" and set the time yourself, it is no longer synced to the GPS time at all, and operates on whatever "internal" timekeeping it uses. My 2012 Ex seems to lose a minute every couple of weeks, and I have to re-sync with GPS time to get an accurate clock, then set the hour ahead again. While some people could care less if their vehicle clock is accurate, some of us depend on accurate time, and would rather have NO information than BAD information. We have a remarkably accurate GPS system installed, but no way to get that information once you "go manual'.

Ford IVT Team: Is there a fix for this in the works???

Hope so.............
 






Another thing of note:

It appears that when you "go manual" and set the time yourself, it is no longer synced to the GPS time at all, and operates on whatever "internal" timekeeping it uses. My 2012 Ex seems to lose a minute every couple of weeks, and I have to re-sync with GPS time to get an accurate clock, then set the hour ahead again. While some people could care less if their vehicle clock is accurate, some of us depend on accurate time, and would rather have NO information than BAD information. We have a remarkably accurate GPS system installed, but no way to get that information once you "go manual'.

Ford IVT Team: Is there a fix for this in the works???

Hope so.............

I'm confused.
Why not just leave the GPS time sync on? To get an hour ahead you just turn off the DST. The DST setting does nothing other than move the clock an hour forward or back.
 



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I'm confused.
Why not just leave the GPS time sync on? To get an hour ahead you just turn off the DST. The DST setting does nothing other than move the clock an hour forward or back.


Not sure which version of Sync you are running...

There is no DST on/off. There is an "Auto Time Zone Update" On/Off, which I believe has nothing to do with DST. It does nothing when I push it except remove the current time zone (Eastern/Central, etc.) in the settings display. Time does not change.

Cheers.
 






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