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Well I picked up the used case today and cleaned it up tonight. Will do the sleeve on the governor bore and also the rear case mod again. Was interesting to see the choice, silver or black?

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I'm new to posting here (but not reading), and I was wondering about a couple of things. First off, I'm also in the middle of an A4LD rebuild job - so I feel your pain (and joy), and you are doing a great job of documenting the job. Thanks.

Are you considering changing the lines (tubing) that run to radiator, from the radiator to the aux. cooler, and from the cooler back to the tranny? The lines look kind of smallish to me, and it looks to me like the fittings in the tranny reduce the fluid passage quite a bit (I've already removed mine). The radiator connections look about the same and shouldn't be too hard to remove. I figure more cooling is better. I've even had thoughts of putting in two aux. coolers, in line, one in front of the other, with the output from the front cooler going back to the tranny. I'd probably have a cold weather bypass if I went that far, but I have a few other things to think about first.

I have a '92 4X4, which I bought in '96, but now that I have the tranny apart it is obviously not a '92 vintage (single-wrap OD band, needle bearings,OD solenoid w/o screen, etc.) which means that the original tranny didn't make it to 62K miles before being swapped for a '93 or '94 vintage A4LD. This leads me to believe that the bellhousing isn't original (so it wasn't the original one that was bored in place), which seems to be a problem because at 90K miles the front pump seal blew and left me stranded. Could you explain what a line bored bushing is and the procedure for it? Since I have the tranny out and apart, now would be the time to do it.

BTW, my OD band (single-wrap design) was cooked and broken (the OD drum rubbed away the rivits holding the anchor plate to the band, and released the plate and anchor, which got chewed up by the OD drum). Where did you source a cheap (but good) OD drum?

I can't understand why you think that the single-wrap design is better than the double wrap. I think ford did it to save $, not because of performance. It was able to eliminate a couple of pieces (same band and anchor as the intermediate) and the design uses less steel - the band is about $10 cheaper with a single wrap. The servo is the same diameter, so it has the same pressure/force against the drum, and the band friction area and thickness is roughly the same (I think the double-wrap has a little more area), so the only thing that really is different is that the double-wrap servo piston has to travel about twice as far (linearly) to get to the same band tension (2 times the slack/clearance to remove by the servo action). This is also evident from the band adjustment procedures - back off 2 turns for intermediate and single wraps and 3.5 turns for the double wrap. I would have thought that this would cause the OD to be applied at a slower pace, not faster. The ATSG manual is lacking in that they don't mention that in '93 they went to a single wrap design for the OD and therefore should only be backed off only 2 turns - or at least that is my assumption of how far the adjustment stud should be backed out. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that somebody at one of the stealerships I've gone to "adjusted" my band into a loose/slip condition - burning it up and causing the problems I have today.

Either way, because that is the part that failed on me, I was wondering what options do we have for possibly a thicker friction pad on the band, wider band, etc. I liked your idea of the C3 band, but you said no-go. Any other thoughts?

Thanks,
Brain
 






I had another thought on a different mod - namely the magnets in the pan. I don't know if you are going to epoxy them in place or what, but I think the filter fits pretty close to the pan, and since you can't see the magnets with the pan on, you can't be sure they aren't being thrown around the inside of the tranny. My thought is epoxying a big and STRONG magnet (salvaged from a blown woofer) to the outside of the pan at the depressed part where the fluid is picked up. I'd have to keep the draincock off to the side (not at the lowest point, and wouldn't be able to drain all the fluid out of the pan, but I'm installing the drain so make it easier (and cleaner) to drain down the fluid for filter changes, not to drain and fill without removing the pan. Just thought I'd pass along this thought. Hope things are going well with the rear end of the second case.
 






Brian

I have thought about possibly going to braided steel with AN fittings, but will wait til later to decide. I will heat protect the lines near manifolds etc. Cooler size I want to experiment with later as well.

The double wrap band just seemed punier to me. Same width but divided into 3 smaller bands with a spacing ofabout 1/8 inch. Just seemed less capable. Maybe you are right. I'll post side by sides.

Line or align boring - here's 2 places that do it:

www.omegamachine.com/db/hard_parts.asp

http://www.precision-technologies.com/_wsn/page2.html

Asfor the OD drum try www.Aceomatic.com. I think I paid $30 for a NEW one.

Bad news on the rear case mod. The snout is about .020 SHORTER than the combined height of the washer and race. There is no way they will ever sit flush, as is! The snout is around 1.238 average - here's one measurement:

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Here is the combined thickness of the race and rear washer:

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Sonnax and I need to have a chat! Options are to grind the race down .020 to .030 or remachine the area around the rear snout!! Grrrrrr. More delays. Since Omega machine (a link above) is local to me, I may go pick their brains on this problem. Stay tuned.

EDIT 6/23

I spent about 20 minutes on and off at the grinder with the new race. Have it down to where the measurements all work. My advice, measure and plan to grind. Should get it pressedon tomorrow and move forward (finally). Thanks for your patience and understanding.
 






So you got a new rear end kit from Sonnax and measured before installing this time...give 'em hell :nono: , but remember how you were singing their praises not too long ago, and they probably aren't a resource that you want to have mad at you.

Just to let you know about the bands - my single band has no seperations in the metal but they (both OD and intermediate) have three distinct bands of friction material, possibly for lubrication, possibly for heat dissapation. I guess IN THEORY a single band would activate quicker, so that less time is spent in the slowing-it-down dynamic friction mode before it gets to the locked-up-static friction mode, which in turn would mean a longer life of the band because friction material isn't used up when it is locked up. OTOH - heat would be generated quicker, with the slow-down (deceleration) rate being increased, and not as much time for fluid to carry away the heat.

I was wondering if you could answer a question for me (because you have the manuals). I have a '92 Eddie Bauer 4x4 (May of 1992 to be more precise), and I thought that all the 4.0L A4LD's had the double-wrap OD band because the ATSG manual never mentions a single-wrap 4.0, at least in the base manual anyways (perhaps the upgrade manual says something about it). I'm wondering if this is the original tranny from '92, or if it is a '93 or '94 build (perhaps swapped under warranty by one of the prior owners prior to '96 and 62K miles). I only ask because the front seal blew out at 90K miles, which caused the fluid to dump out, overheating the bands and clutch plates. That was 25K miles ago (with no rebuild), and this OD problem had me set it aside for several years while other things were a priority, but now that I'm into it (to replace the frictions and OD drum), might as well do a little preventative maintenance. I know about the several tech bulletins about the pump front seal failure problems, and I don't want to risk the possibility of having to get a new bell housing if this is the original one. Could you please end my confusion and tell me if it is possible that I have a '92 A4LD with a single-wrap OD band?

Much apprieciated,
Brain :chug:
 






I was re-reading your previous posts in this thread and something struck me as being odd. You are aware of the dis-similar expansion between aluminum and steel (the reason you gave to not powdercoat the body), and yet you have no problem with putting a steel valve where there was previously an aluminum one (take the modulator valve for example). I know the pieces are small and the tolerances probably aren't that tight, but since aluminum has the higher coefficient of thermal expansion, won't the steel valve be looser in the bore of the aluminum body when it is hot (running temp compared to assembly temp)? This means that there would be more leakage by the valve than the aluminum one, although probably not enough to make any real difference....

The other thing is that since steel is harder than aluminum, and the body (and bore) is aluminum, are we sacrificing the bore to save the valve by using an "upgraded" steel valve?

Just wondering ,and playing a little bit of devil's advocate :confused:
Brain
 






Brain, it is my understanding that the 4.0 only had the double wrap in 90-91. (Which meant only the very early Explorers ever had it, if my info is correct). As for the steel vs aluminum, I understand what you are saying, just am not sure it's a problem. Sonnax... ah... I still admire those guys, we'll see what they have to say about this issue, I'll keep everyone posted.
 












GREAT FIND! Thanks for sharing!
 






I was thinking about the problem with the rear bushing not bottoming and was wondering if you are using the new center support with #3 and 4 BEARINGS instead of thrust washers as described in this Tech Bulletin (sounds beefier to me):
http://www.alldatadiy.com/alldata/A.../56351048/34853741/34850750/42063452/59107817

This TB also might be of interest (beefier support ring info - located on the center support):
http://www.alldatadiy.com/alldata/A.../56351048/34853741/34850750/42063452/42470293
 






Well, CRUD!!! I finally got the clutch packs dissasembled and my problems don't end with the overdrive band and drum. The entire OD assembly is shot. Now I know where the majoity of the friction material and metal was coming from.

I noticed when I was pulling things apart that I couldn't remove the input shaft (the one that goes through the torque converter and into the OD sun). Turns out that the bushing in the OD planet carrier was "welded" to the shaft from the heat - still haven't gotten it off. When I was trying to get the shaft out and the carrier out, I was hearing a jingling sound, and when I got a little bit of space between OD clutch adaptor and the bottom of the OD piston, I saw why...one piece of thin guage metal came out from between - kind of in a circular shape, but bent to ----, and FLAT. Then I realized how many more there were still inside and shook the thing like a marraca and it jingled as if I had some sleigh bells in my hand. When I got more space, bigger parts came out. Looked like roller bearings, but they were aluminum - OH CRAP!!! - those are the spring guides and little pieces of the springs!

Needless to say, something failed in a big way, and the end result is the need for a new drum, planet carrier (mine WAS a welded unit - then it got pseudo-welded to the steel clutch plates and the pressure plate), frictions, steels, springs, piston, etc., etc.... :banghead:

Going to be a little more $ than I was thinking, and I'd like to figure out why it happened in the first place. I guess the tranny DOES have 116.5K miles on it, and the front pump seal DID blow out and smoke the thing at 90K miles, but geeze!! I hope that after this rebuild/upgrade I'll get 150-200K before something else goes wrong. The GOOD thing is that all (at least the bigger chunks) of those metal pieces were contained in the OD clutch basket and not thrown around the whole system.

BTW, the forward clutch frictions were pretty well burned up (I could still see the waffle pattern, but heat had degraded them to where chunks were missing), but the reverse-high clutch frictions looked new (I could still read the part numbers on the faces of the frictions!).

I'm never again setting foot into a stealership to get service on a vehicle that is out of warranty. :fire: $620 in labor to pull the thing out and put it in (the hardest part), $50 in parts (bolts, front pump seal, and fluid - with HUGE markup)....and they didn't even fix the "real" problem. :shoot:
 






Well, I treid the local aceomatic (ATC in Denver), and they won't work with me because I'm not a "shop", although they did give me a couple of numbers to shops that will suppy used parts (not that I want any used stuff in my new rebuild). Oh well...looks like bulkpart.com only has used OD drums also...stuck for now I guess.
 






Glacier, I've got some answers to a couple of questions that you have had -
"I am still mystified why the 5R went from a 3 plate OD clutch to a 2 plate, and from a 6 plate forward to a 5 plate forward clutch."

I'm sure you have the charts that show what is applied for which gear, but for the benefit of the reader, I'm going to list which clutches are engaged when you are in a certain shifter position (not including one-way clutches, sometime referred to as "sprags").

In Overdrive (D-Circled):
1st - forward
2nd - forward and intermediate band
3rd - forward and reverse/high
4th (OD) - forward, reverse/high, and overdrive band (not OD clutch)

In Drive:
1st – OD, forward
2nd - OD, forward, and intermediate band
3rd - OD, forward, and reverse/high

So, in the OD shifter position (the position the shifter is in 99% of the time normal on-road use occurs, not including towing or 4x4'ing), the OD clutch is disengaged (frictions slipping against steels, or more to the point -with a thin layer of fluid between them). By reducing the number of plates, it is true that you reduce their longevity (after all, there is less friction material), but this is a tradeoff for fuel economy. Fewer layers that aren't moving at the same speed (as in a clutch pack that is not applied) equals less viscous loss (viscous drag), which leads to more power getting out the back of the transmission. I have a feeling that is also part of the reason why you see that they went to a spiral-grooved pattern on the friction plates. The grooves not only allow for more fluid to cool the plates, but also has two other benefits: 1) less resistance when the clutch is being applied because it allow a pathway to get the fluid "squished out" and out of the way (more positive application), and 2) when the clutch is NOT applied, it keeps a thicker (not more viscous "thicker", but physically more distance "thicker") film of fluid separating the plates, which also decreases the viscous drag effects of the plates not spinning at the same speed.

For highway driving (OD position on the shifter), you can see that the OD clutch is NEVER applied, and since this is how they get their EPA mileage ratings (also looked at by many consumers when purchasing), fewer plates was/is a GOOD thing. I hope that answers why they went to a 2-plate OD clutch design. The ONLY drawback is when PEOPLE start to shift from D to OD (to pass or whatever), because THAT will cause the application of the OD clutch (more on this later).

Now to answer your second question about why they went to a 5-plate design on the forward clutch. The forward clutch is ALWAYS applied in ANY gear, ANY shifter position except for Park, Neutral, or Reverse. This means that almost all of the time this clutch is applied and should be holding (not being engaged and disengaged). The holding force is not determined by the area of the clutch plates, but rather by the pressure forcing the plates together (line pressure times the area of the piston) and the makeup of the friction material (its coefficient of static friction). To make the holding power of this clutch pack increase, more pressure in the piston would be required. As for why make it fewer plates, again this is a fuel economy issue. Fewer plates means less rotating mass to accelerate and decelerate (either by engine acceleration or by the application of other clutches by changing of gears). This also leads to longer life of the other parts of the transmission. If the clutch is always engaged, there isn’t much to be gained by having more friction material. Now boosting the line pressure to this clutch pack could lead to more holding power, which could be a good thing. Let’s just agree that “Neutral Drops†(going from a high-RPM neutral to OD) are NOT a good thing for the forward clutch, as this is the only “soft†clutch that gets applied.

So, where can WE make improvements to our A4LDs to make them last longer? The #1 major concern should be maintaining good line pressure in our system. This will keep the clutches and bands from slipping. The source of the pressure is the pump, and the best you can do is new. The pump is a gear pump and over time the gears get more and more worn away, leading to increased tolerances and lower possible pressures. This is why I am strongly considering putting in a permanent line-pressure indicator (will update this when I get it done). Now besides keeping the pressure high from the source, we need to do everything possible to eliminate the leaks that cause the pressure seen by the clutch pistons and servos (for the bands) to be lower. The things that immediately come to mind are 1) valves fitting tightly (low-tolerance) in the valve body (or, like the booster valve Glacier is using, o-rings), 2) good seals on all of the clutch pistons and where those pistons get their pressure from (rotating seals), 3) good seals on the servos, and 4) clean fluid passages (even through restrictions like the 3-4 solenoid), and 5) other rotating seals such as the front pump seal (prone to failure) . CHANGING THE FLUID will add to the life of these things by removing the tiny particles of friction material (normal wear) that can wear away the rubber in the seals, creating minute leaks and lowering the pressure (force) felt by the clutches and bands. Of course, adding extra beefiness to supports and using Torrington bearings instead of thrust washers will add to the seal life (rolling bearings wear slower than sliding bearings and thus release less seal-killing particulate matter into the fluid). High temperatures also kill rubber, so adding coolers can also improve the life of the seals. - (after writing all this stuff about saving seals I feel like clubbing a few baby seals so that the Tao, Yin-and-Yang, of nature is preserved :) )

All of these things are good (even great) ideas to increase the life of the transmission, but it doesn’t change the fundamental fact that the friction material on the clutch plates and the friction material on the bands are of finite thickness. This leads me to the #2 major concern – conserving friction material. There is only one thing that can conserve friction material, and that, I’m afraid, is how/where you drive. I live in the mountains and drive in OD on mountainous highways – thus I had a lot of 3-4 automatic shifts (passing). The thing that failed was the OD band (which is the only thing that changes from 3rd to 4th while in the OD shifter position). Because of this wearing away of the OD band, it failed and then other things got messed up, but I know now that it WAS the OD band. What I’m trying to say is that driving habits can greatly influence how long the friction material lasts. People that drive around or tow in Drive and drop into passing gear (2nd) might find that their intermediate band is the thing that failed, or people who “Neutral-Drop†might find that the forward clutch is burnt up. It just depends…but one thing is certain – the friction material WILL eventually run out, and when it does, hard parts can get seriously screwed up because they are dealing with things for which they weren’t designed.

So my final thoughts are contrary to many who say “don’t fix what isn’t brokenâ€â€¦.fix it BEFORE it breaks. You will feel better about the reliability, and possibly save some $$$ in the process (soft parts such as friction plates, bands, and seals are MUCH cheaper than the hard parts). :bounce:
 






Brain - e-mail me your aceomatic list of parts you need and I'll pick them up for you and we can arrrange payment and shipping. Don't go the used route if you do not have to.
 






A few weeks ago, Aceomatic in Orange, CA and the main distribution center in Rancho blew me off too. And this was when bulkpart.com said "temporally closed." The rep gave me the story that they couldn't sell retail because they had no CA-Bureau Auto Repair licsense. I said 'but i'm doing the repairs, not (them).' They didn't care.
 






You can also try P.D.Q Transmission here in Sacramento, or Transstar (although Transstar may give you the same run around as some seem to have with Aceomatic.)
 






Brain said:
Well, I treid the local aceomatic (ATC in Denver), and they won't work with me because I'm not a "shop", although they did give me a couple of numbers to shops that will suppy used parts (not that I want any used stuff in my new rebuild). Oh well...looks like bulkpart.com only has used OD drums also...stuck for now I guess.

Hey Brain,

Give me a buz (pm or email). I have an account setup with trans star in denver. So far they have had everything I've needed at a good price.

I'd also like to pick your brain (haha) on the a4ld rebuild. It looks like we are all right in the same stage of our rebuilds....

Brett
 






Glacier and Brett, thanks for the support. As soon as I get a complete list of parts I'll let you know. I have to put this project on the back burner for a couple of days (IRS problems that I have to get straightened out). I do have one quick question though...Does the sun gear of the OD planetary assembly have a bushing in it? I think that's where this bushing came from, but I'm not positive (the bushing was seized onto the input shaft). Thanks.
 






Intermedate Servo and Band Apply

I know it seems like forever,but a few things in life have gotten in the way of finalizing this project, I promise to keep at it, and finish it soon. Meanwhile I thought some pics of the intermediate servo cover and apply lever might be of some value.

There were quite a number of covers used... depending on year and engine size, labelled with a 2 letter identifier (BB, CB, DB, EB, FB etc etc.. The 4.0 engine has only used the one labelled BB... here it is.

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Inside there is a lever the servo pushes on to apply the band. Two main ones were used over the years for the different engine sizes. One labelled "A" (4.0 engine) and one labelled "D" (smaller engines). I have a list of of apply variables with differerent ones, but I can't find it right now, I'll update this when I do. My advice? Stick with "A".

Here are two seemingly identical "A" Levers, both from 4.0 egine trannies:

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Yet they are different. How? Let's check where the servo rod has been actuating them:

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Curious. One is deeply scored in the center, the other less deeply scored but scored offset from center, and some what irregularly... Here is a closeup of the centered one...

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and here is a closeup of the other one....

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SO, what does it all mean? I'm still processing. Which one would you reuse and why? The adjusting nut SHOULD take up any play, but what about the different locations of the scars? I'll price a new one and we can all decide if this is a bulletproof rebuild item.

Next up OD servo and band apply.
 



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OD Servo and Band

Ok I promised some info on this, still doing my research, but here goes... you have seen the intermediate one so I'll skip some of the repetitive stuff. Here is the old servo, a new one, the cover and the retaining ring and the spring..

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Not replacing servos is lunacy in my mind. $6 apiece. The old ones were like rocks! New ones supple. So what? Let's look at how they work. That "cover" is WAY more that a "cover". It is a bore that applies the pressure. The servo fits into the cover...like so...

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The difference in the snugness of fit between old and hard and new and supple was dramatic! Can you say LEAK? The hydraulic pressure comes up through a hole in the shaft, see arrow in previous post - here's a closeup of that hole

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A new servo(s) is a definite must!!!

APPLY LEVERS

We saw the "A" lever for the intermediate. Here is the lever from a 1991 double wrap OD:

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Hmmm alphabet soup. A "C". Before I go into this let me show you the scoring on this one.... compare it to the intermediate "A"'s.....

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Interestingly....the 1991 Ranger this came out of was a 4.0. It used the double wrap band and a "C" lever in the OD unit. 1992 went to single wrap and an "A" lever. Be careful if you are rebuilding from one year or model to put into another. I think the "C" lever did not apply as strongly as the "A". I'm getting a new "A" lever for the OD single wrap.

Note that the cover is an "AB". Pretty much standard on the 4.0's. The size difference between the Intermediate and OD is interesting.....which one needs more force ya think? (OD on right)

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Next up.... single wrap versus double wrap OD bands and band adjustment screws/nuts

point of interest.... taking photos, reworking them in photoshop, uploading them and editing and posting this single post took 1-1/2 hours)
 






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