My Quest for 13.XX version 1

[RubySlow]

http://www.largiader.com/articles/torque.html
5250rpm Curve?

 

[rizzjc]

It's not the same though, running a car at the track is different than running it on the street

Geez, you guys need to chill. Joke. Kidding. Lighten up folks! :

 

[techieman33]

Geez, you guys need to chill. Joke. Kidding. Lighten up folks! :

Yeah, I was just frustrated with certain people in the tread giving advice about how Jon can improve his times at the track when they've never even made one real pass down a real track. "Testing" on the street won't help you out that much at the track, they're different environments and the car will react very differently.

 

[Nedwreck]

http://www.largiader.com/articles/torque.html
5250rpm Curve?

Pretty good writeup. I spend more time on a H-D then on a trail, so it was written for me maybe. heh

I 'splain torque vs. HP like this.. Torque is the ability to move things under more load, HP gains RPM faster... HP is usually a high RPM thing, Torque ain't.

Hope I aint stirring the pot...

anyway... in my day I built low to mid RPM torque toys. They drove batter day to day and made good ~repeatable~ times.

Also, many people overlook something with torque toys... short shifting. The 5.0 'stang I drove was actually faster shifting at 3500 rpm instead of waiting on the redline. I could feel less "pull" after the torque peak, so it was time to shift. Same for the 455 buicks, and my 500 caddy.

so... cool thread... brings fond memories of days gone by.

 

[chriswells78]

Pretty good writeup. I spend more time on a H-D then on a trail, so it was written for me maybe. heh

I 'splain torque vs. HP like this.. Torque is the ability to move things under more load, HP gains RPM faster... HP is usually a high RPM thing, Torque ain't.

Hope I aint stirring the pot...

anyway... in my day I built low to mid RPM torque toys. They drove batter day to day and made good ~repeatable~ times.

Also, many people overlook something with torque toys... short shifting. The 5.0 'stang I drove was actually faster shifting at 3500 rpm instead of waiting on the redline. I could feel less "pull" after the torque peak, so it was time to shift. Same for the 455 buicks, and my 500 caddy.

so... cool thread... brings fond memories of days gone by.

Yup, it's all about where the power in the motor is. My 4.6 Mustang benefits from shifting 5600-6000 because it pulls pretty much to redline. My buddy with a 455 Olds in a Tbird needs to shift his around 4000 because of where HIS power band is.

I can't say I disagree with all others about the seat time either. I'm in my second year of racing my Mustang and after about 40 passes last year and 60 or so this year, I must say, I still continue to get better. Every burn out gets a little better, every launch gets a little better, every shift gets a little better. And still, every change to the car causes me to have to do something about the pass differently. Doesn't matter if it's a tire pressure change or a whole new intake manifold, it still makes me adjust something in my driving.

 

[Jakee]

Okay, I have to set the record straight with a few false statements...

First thing regards Rocket 5979. Yes, I was a newbie a short time ago with this forum, but I wasn't a newbie to making cars go fast. You know that. How else could I come in here and do what I've done in the short time that I've done it in, and also learned how to tune my own truck. Who else has done that in this amount of time? A very few my friend. I'm not getting a big head but if me having the desire to learn this stuff is a bad thing, and then I guess I'm bad, and full of myself.

Second thing is the statement that techman said. You have every right to state your opinion about how I don't have the right to say anything because I haven't got to the track. The fact remains, that I've done a lot to my truck, and my advice to JT can be thrown out the window by him. He knows a good amount, and if he doesn't want to listen to what others say, then that's his choice. I can promise you that even JAMES doesn't know everything, or ROCKET. Maybe they have the most "political" power in here, but the fact is they don't know it all and know one does. Now, am I saying I know more? HELL NO.

Third - I used a few words that were overlooked in the 110 ET time. "Somewhere in the neighbor hood". And then followed up with I need to take it to the track.

Look, I'm sorry if all I have is a V6 and I'm able to outrun the V8's that people have spent three times as much money. There are reasons why and it's not because I'm a smart know it all, and full of myself, or in this case, my truck. It's simply the weight of my truck is 1000 LBS lighter than most x's (I have a sport model) Don't take it out on me for telling you what I know with the testing I've done on the street. I do realize that I'm not going to get a good time the first time I make a pass, and I REALLY DON'T CARE. I will not get upset because I've learned not to expect, and just take it for what it is.

I know what My truck will do, and if there's a person in here that knows it better than me, then just tell me my time and we'll leave it alone.

3700 LBS
Complete different setup than anyone else.
Turbo charged with 9 LBS of boost.
I DID MY OWN TUNE. James changed about 15 settings (I paid him well for these 15 settings) out of the thousands I changed my self over and over until I got it just the way I wanted it. If that doesn't count for anything, then run me over.


Fourth - HP. A direct calculation from Torque. Why do I like HP better? It's simple, because you're getting the work done faster because a variable of HP is RPM. You want HIGH HP thru out the entire RPM range. Looking at torque at the beginning can be easier for some people.

Anyways, let's get the thread back on topic. JT feel free to delete this thread if you want, just let the few see it - I'll take a voluntary ban from the site.

 

[Turdle]

Why is it these need for speed forum threads always end up like this? Wonder why it isn't fun for me anymore?

I'm going to get this truck into the 13's , and then " that's all folks"

It will be a tow truck from then on.
I'll get a stock transmission, beef it up a bit, add a low stall converter and be good.



Jakee, you aren't going anywhere.

 

[Albino 94LTD]

Get dirty

JT, us dirt guys are really mellow. When we see booty fab, we just laugh and walk away.

Put the 33's back on it and go play in the trees

 

[IZwack]

JT, us dirt guys are really mellow. When we see booty fab, we just laugh and walk away.

Put the 33's back on it and go play in the trees

JT has an ace up his sleeve

 

[Turdle]

JT has an ace up his sleeve

Yes I do.

Sunday is out-
CDRA has a scheduled event at the last minute--

http://www.cdraonline.com/pdfs/ardmore_mokan.pdf

Hmmm,

 

[jah81592]

I agree with rocketeer, needs more bottom end torque, get rid of those silly aluminum torque robbing heads and bolt on some E6s with Super Trapps with all the plates, run an A/F ratio of 10-1 to be on the safe side, this is how races are won. For an intake I would ditch the individual runner idea and run TBI for more torque, its all about torque in these trucks. :biggthump ....shouldnt matter if you run a high stall, its torque or nothing.

Please tell me your joking 10:1 a/f's, ditch the aluminum heads? Your a hell of a jokester! I cannot stop laughing..

Yeah, I was just frustrated with certain people in the tread giving advice about how Jon can improve his times at the track when they've never even made one real pass down a real track. "Testing" on the street won't help you out that much at the track, they're different environments and the car will react very differently.

Dang Eric, it seems when you post lately you are stating exactly what I want to say. You are beating me to the punchline everytime. Interestingly enough it took me a half season to even get the truck to go consistantly down the track everytime n/a'd. Once I went boosted my first pass was a 9.20 I was so discusted. This was in like June, it took me several hundred passes and finally in Feb the following year all my dreams came true lighting the boards up with a 8.27 in the 1/8th. I am in search of 7.90's now but haven't been to the track in 7months due to business constraints. If I go out and get an 8.40 right now I will be happy. Working toward the 7.90 will be the new goal. I am in the process of adding new parts for testing. I am not trying to thread jack but to only mention that it will take alot of weekend and test and tune to finally get your rewards. It seems as if I have excellent luck all the time, I don't there are some nights I go and the truck will struggle to run 8.70's in the 1/8th. These are bad nights and I accept them (not happily) but I do. Go to the track and be dedicated you will see your times drop just learning to drive the truck.

Why is it these need for speed forum threads always end up like this? Wonder why it isn't fun for me anymore?

I'm going to get this truck into the 13's , and then " that's all folks"

It will be a tow truck from then on.
I'll get a stock transmission, beef it up a bit, add a low stall converter and be good.



Jakee, you aren't going anywhere.

You have a roof rack don't you Jon? Well what comes to mind is solid rocket booster. That'll buzz you right past the 13's..LOL!-j

 

[conig]

didn't think about this earlier but how about a short belt? oil pumps gear driven correct? so you would only really need main to waterpump.

i used to do this with my dak it picked up a good bit(i had a deep cycle battery)

 

[bt93]

Spray it! I know, I know its not "real" power. But I love it in my drag car.

 

[techieman33]

Spray it! I know, I know its not "real" power. But I love it in my drag car.

I'll have to quote SVO on that one

Bottles are for babies, real men get blown

 

[RubySlow]

I'll have to quote SVO on that one

Bottles are for babies, real men get blown

Or turbo and eat your own waste!

 

[rocket 5979]

It will be a tow truck from then on.
I'll get a stock transmission, beef it up a bit, add a low stall converter and be good.

Jon what happened to potential offroader plans for the truck? Or did you decide to get a separate rig?

You have a roof rack don't you Jon? Well what comes to mind is solid rocket booster. That'll buzz you right past the 13's..LOL!-j

We'll call it the "JATO Explorer mod".

 

[reserved50]

Please tell me your joking 10:1 a/f's, ditch the aluminum heads? Your a hell of a jokester! I cannot stop laughing..

Im totally serious, iron heads retain more heat such as the E6s with small valves, you also need less spring rate to keep away from valve float which equals more power . 10-1 is nothing, you need to peg the wideband , more fuel equals more power :roll:. Now I know why I screwed up running a large spring on my AFR heads with 12-1 AFRs WOT with a high stall to keep it in the powerband. On another note its been about a year with the overboosted Powerdyne and not a single problem *jinxed

That guy running the turbo V6 explorer has a light truck, mines 4300 with an empty tank. In a Limited weighing about 4500 it would run almost 3/4 of a second slower, Im not arguing with him but just saying to people if anyone was complaining its quick or whatever to their slow POS .

What I do think is funny is where someone said a 5.0 Mustang is faster at 3500 rpm shiftpoints

 

[Nedwreck]

What I do think is funny is where someone said a 5.0 Mustang is faster at 3500 rpm shiftpoints

I said ~my~ car ran a bit faster short shifted.

throttle response was off the chart, and that's what i wanted to run the roads in my "AO".

I agree totally that it sounds silly... but hey... that's what we tweaked for, that's what we got.. a fun toy that was dependable, and easy on the wallet.

so anyway.. don't blame ya a bit for questioning the comment... apparently nobody else caught it.. heh

I'm a low buck guy.. so I tweak around stock suspensions and trannies.. maximize what i've got, and balance the power to the car's abilities. I was never the fastest in my group.. but i broke less and was hugely consistent. That 'stang got a "20 tricks" treatment right out of a 1980's Hot Rod magazine. Learned a trick about launching it right outta that issue too, and I'm not ashamed to admit it.

I miss that car, just mashing the gas and watching the speedo spin.. while sounding like nothing special was going on. heh