RU planning to put a 302 in your X?

[410Fortune]

hey ASP lets see some pictures.

Brett spent 30 hours researching the wiring needed to be done for the 4.0L to 5.0L conversion.

It is not simple, and it is not that same for every 5.0L harness. They change throughout the years.
You can post a guide and it will be helpful, but there is only 1 way to do it right.

I know I watched Brett build it. Fairly simple end product, long road to get there....

So it's your choice, tackle it yourself (isnt that hard like you said, just time consuming, and you need to have all the necessary information, and know how) or pay $800+ to Windsor Fox, $800 + to Painless, or pay $400+ to Brett and I to do it for you.

I want to see some pictures of your 5.0L in the truck, I may know somebody who wants to buy it but we need pictures of the swap progress (wires hooked up, engine in truck, interior in truck, etc...)

Thanks man! post them here or email them to Brett or I. Like I said my buddy is looking to do a 5.0L in an Explorer, you may just save him some time and $$$ if the pictures tell the tale....

 

[Big E]

Anyone got any pictures yet? I am intrested in doing this same thing.

Eric

 

[Speedfreak]

I should have some good pictures of my swap soon, I just need to finish the roll and get them developed.

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[Big E]

Thanks for replying. I am looking forward to see some pictures of the final product.


Eric

 

[BUCHVILLEMAN]

Thank you!! I'm glad that someone out there has said that this conversion is not some great task,or that it cost 10,000 dollars.

i agree that conversion can be as simple or as complex as you want. im sure youve seen Dead Link Removed. i think a lot of it has to do with what you know... how much your willing to study.... how much time you will spend on it... what are your resources. i think ryans project is good example of having a plan, having the knowhow, having the willpower to bring it to life. (hes doing a kick ass job in my opinion)

ive been researching it myself. i plan $1200 for total motor. $400 junked 302 at local yard $600 for rebuild $200 for dress up parts. i have not decided on what to do for the tranny and tcase. i would definitely upgrade but cant decide on whether or not to go for a whole donor like a bronco or f-150. if i do that i think ican get a decent donor for 2k (early 80s) rebuild motor and hope the best for the tranny and tcase.

my point is i know how to work on carburated motors and feel very confident in how to get em going strong so that is why i would go that route. i also consider it fescible on my budget to this in the next year and a half.

though i would love ot buy the ford motor sports 350hp 302 from summit or wherever its just not realistic for me to spend a big pile at once.

i say plan plan plan and then kick it in the ass as hard as you can.

btw- this thread is good resource thanks!!! gofast and asp84 good work!

 

[Speedfreak]

That was the point I was trying to make with my previous post. My conversion is near completion and I have yet to go over $2000.00(can) with it. The most expensive part so far was the AA piece at $950 with shipping,exchange, etc. I spent some time cleaning parts and worked a trade for my AODW tranny. I should end up with a very respectable and clean conversion when complete. I have done 99% of all of the work (tranny was built by a friend) and will finish the truck myself. I have got the conversion about 75% complete, with it possibly starting tomorrow night. This conversion is certainly made easier if you have done one or another type of conversion before. I used a friends 2wd Explorer as a ginnie pig for the conversion and then corrected mistakes done on that one in my own.

 

[BUCHVILLEMAN]

what tcase are you using? is that the adapter you taking about?

 

[Speedfreak]

I am using my factory transfer case and the adapter allows me to use the 5.0L AODW with it and my factory driveshafts. It makes bolting up alot easier. A will post some pictures on my web site real soon.

 

[lonestar]

Already planning

I am looking at buying an older model 91 X 4X4 4d 5spd with 148K and have already started looking into a 5.0 swap, when the 4.0 dies. What problems would I run into by keeping the stock manual tranny. Most swaps I have seen so far involve autos. Would there need to be any changes made from the tranny back... transfer, driveshafts....
Are there any king of adapters for a 5.0 to manual tranny.
So far the 5.0 91-92 T-bird sounds like the easiest path by asp84. Any other 5.0 choice suggestions.

I know some will say just buy one with a V8. 3 reasons.
Money
Don;t like newer X as much
No fun

Thanks.

 

[410Fortune]

Well my friend is just putting the finishing touches on his 93 X Mustang HO conversion. We actually fired it up for the first time last night!!!!! (open headers = loud)

There are a few things to look out for, 5.0l's with egr will work, but look to chopp out a bunch more from the heater box. Personally I would look touse a 5.0L with no air pump and no egr.

Also the duff radiator is a nice fit, made it possible to use a flex fan even withthe mustang serpentine setup.

Stay away from the Duff long headers, fit = too tight. especially when you dont use Duff engine mounts.

a body lift would help clear some of the stuff.

With A/C, AGR, a smog pump, ABS compressor,all under the hood and nop body lift it is a tight squeeze to say the least. The intake manifold is pointed towards the drivers side for a better fit, which caused some more problems with tranny filler tube, dipstick, valve covers, and throttle cable.

Look to spend a lot of time doing the work if you go this route. what you think will take 15 minutes will take you at least 2 hours.

If I had an Explorer I would go this route.
The AA adapter for the AOD to T case is a nice touch too.

I'll stick with a 4.0L for my little BII, a HO would be too much, maybe a SOHC eventually though....

Teh wiring is tricky, but we can help you there....

 

[Big E]

What did you guys use for a fule pump? I am sure the 5.0 needs more fuel than the 4.0. Did you change it?


Eric

 

[410Fortune]

Actually they are pretty much the same pump.

The "standard" Ford pump puts out 80 liters /hour if I remember right, same for 2.9L, 3.0L, 4.0L, and 5.0L.

So basically you always have a bunch of pressure in the fuel system from the pump to the rail, the pressure regulator is what controls teh actual pressure by releasing some back to the tank.
So the 4.0L and 5.0L probably use slightly different regulators, but the pumps pump the same pressure.

Now it's eaasy for you to drop in a aftermarket high pressure mustang pump, but unless you are building a high powered 5.0L the stock 4.0L pump will work fine....

 

[RFR2212]

I believe I've got a 110l stang pump... I wanted to make sure I had the fuel there when on odd angles, or what not when wheeling
Pete

 

[Big E]

Do the stock Explorer fuel lines hook directly up to the ones on the 5.0? Is the power of the 5.0 more noticable over the 4.0?


Eric

 

[Gofast]

Fuel Lines.

The fuel lines only hook up with the factory lines if you have the fuel rails from a 96+ Explorer V8. The mustang fuelrails exit on the wrong side of the motor.

Not sure if T-bird models exit on the right or left.

I bought 96 v8 Explorer fuel Rails and the the fuel line extentions and they mounted directly to the factory fuel lines mounted on the frame going to the tank.

I'm also using the factory explorer pump for now.

 

[Brett]

For Joe's swap, we made our own fuel lines to connect the explorer factory lines to the mustang fuel rail.

 

[Speedfreak]

Here is some information on the conversion that may help.

The fuel pump in an Explorer is 65lph while the Mustang uses 88lph and 110lph depending on the year. I personnally am using a 155lph aftermarket pump with my conversion.

I believe Motorsport hedders to be the best hedders for the conversion, I have them on my truck that I am just finishing up. I have seen other conversion hedders and the fit just isn't there.

The EGR clearance can be reduced by using the 91-93 T-bird/Cougar style of intake. The throttle body is turned 45 degrees towards the front. The fuel line ports are on the same side as the Mustang, so custom lines do have to be made.

I used homebuilt mounts for my truck and still have to drive the truck far enough to see if they work but so far the results are great. These mounts also mounted the engine lower and I don't feel that a body lift is needed on my truck to make any more clearance.

I have posted some more pictures, take a look and please comment. I will also be posting a parts list of the parts used once I am done.

I still need to add details to the pictures.

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[Kris Guilbeaux]

Hey those mounts look nice speedfreak. Let us know how they hold up... You could alway make some for me...

 

[Big E]

Speedfreak: That looks great sitting in the engine compartment. Thanks for the pics and the answers to my questions. I to and going to put a 5.0 in my Explorer. Just not sure when and how. The wofe thinks she needs a house and don't want to rent any more. Go figure! Anyway, do you have a body lift? I noticed you had alot of room behind the head. Are you going to put the heater box back in? I know if MI it gets really cold in the winter time.

Thanks again

Eric

 

[Speedfreak]

Thanks, I will be putting the heater box in because it can be quite cold here too. I am going to have the Y-pipe made first so that there is room to work, then reinstall it. I do not have a body lift at all, just a custom 5.5 inch suspension lift.