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Weird brake issue!

joney

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1998 Explorer XLT4x4 SOHC
Hi, all! In all my years of driving, Fords and Mopars from MY 67-99, this has never happened, I come to a stop, then it feels like the brakes let loose and it rolls forward about 3 feet! Had the brakes all done in '21. Haven't put more than say 4000 miles on them. But mostly city driving. I have a mechanic to look at it but anyone here had that problem? When the brakes were done they mentioned they had to lube one caliper and keep it from sticking. Would a stuck caliper cause this? I get no noise, pulling, or pulsating on the brakes. Weird and makes me nervous!
 



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then it feels like the brakes let loose and it rolls forward about 3 feet!
What about the brake pedal, does it suddenly goes down in this situation?
It sounds like the brake pressure get lost. Maybe there ist a leak in break line (mostly at the rear),
a brake hose swell of or the master brake cylinder seals are worn.
Brake fluid level ok and fluid is not too old?

If the caliper pistons or the caliper slide pins gets stuck, the car would turn to one
side while braking and you smell the brake pads. It is important to lube these pins, yes
but i don' think your issue caused by the calipers.
Be careful with the brakes, safety first.
 






The problem is in the ABS wheel speed sensors
1 of them drops off at 5 miles an hour It activates the ABS pump
You can see it with the scan tool if you're looking at all 3 sensors
If you unplug one of the ABS sensors You will get a abs light on the dash But it won't Activate until you fix the sensors And plug them all in
;)
 






The problem is in the ABS wheel speed sensors
1 of them drops off at 5 miles an hour It activates the ABS pump
You can see it with the scan tool if you're looking at all 3 sensors
If you unplug one of the ABS sensors You will get a abs light on the dash But it won't Activate until you fix the sensors And plug them all in
;)
Don't know if he has a scan tool, which one do you use? I never have the check engine light come on, think it's burned out. Don't have the ABS light come on either. By looking at the brakes, I presume you can't get any info on it that way...
 






I use forscan ....free computer program
Elm 327 cord .......$20 eBay
there will be no warning lights in this case
I've experienced this problem in the past with the wheel speed sensors
 






sounds like brake master cylinder leak? Sounds like it doesnt hol dpressure? Do you have to continually push it harder to keep it stopped?
 






Check if brake fluid reservoir looks low first thing

Check if one way valve on brake booster is sealed and working.
Does heat vent function change when braking, like from vent to defrost?
 






I had this problem with the ABS twice on my '98... once for the front right wheel, then later for the left. I needed new hubs. The hubs didn't have wobble or make noise yet but apparently either bearing wear changed the spacing or what i suspect was the grease inside was contaminated with metal particles and got on the sensor reluctor (aka tone ring) teeth (in the hub, since mine has 4WD) to drop signal strength.

The first time I just replaced the sensor (and used a paint brush to fling some grease out of the tone ring teeth) and it went away for a month then came back, so replaced the hub. Next time on the other front wheel, just replaced the hub. Hubs "usually" come with a new sensor.

I did check the old sensors, which were intact including getting a resistance measurement around 420 ohms. Well they were intact besides the fact that trying to remove them, ripped the plastic shell off the sensor but the coil inside was still good and give the same 420 ohms.

Sometimes, as with my case, you can tell whether it is a front sensor and which one, by letting go of the steering wheel when coming to a ~ 5MPH stop. If the vehicle pulls to the side, it is the opposite side front sensor signal that's lost. IE - if it pulls left, it's the right sensor signal missing.

You stated no pulling or pulsating though, so it might not be a front sensor, or even ABS at all. I forget the ohm value of the rear sensor but you can try measuring it at the ABS controller connector. I think it should be very roughly 150 ohms (or maybe it's higher, I just remember there were a few hundred ohms difference between the front and rear), just not open circuit or short circuit. This connector is a little tricky to get off the ABS module, you have to grab the part pictured on the left, and slide it upwards (or sideways on my sideways picture!) to unlatch the connector. Pay no attention to the ABS module part #, this pic might have come from an F150 pickup truck instead of an Explorer.

abs module connector lock example only.jpg



ABS Module Wiring Connector Pinout.gif
 






The problem is in the ABS
I had the same symptoms with my '02 Sport Trac. It was the ABS. I pulled the fuse for the ABS in the Battery Junction Box under the hood. Yes, the ABS light was always on, and the ABS was disabled (which I'm ok with), but the truck stopped when it was supposed to. I eventually replaced the ABS module with one from the salvage yard about 3 or 4 years later.
After replacing the ABS unit, I think I'd try something different if I ever had to do it again. The ABS unit appears to be 1 piece, and are sold as 1 unit (at least used ones are), but there's actually the mechanical reservoir that the fluid flows through, and an electronic module that controls it. If I have this problem again, I'll swap out the electronic module and leave the reservoir in place. If that doesn't resolve the problem, I'll replace the reservoir, too.
 






I had the same symptoms with my '02 Sport Trac. It was the ABS. I pulled the fuse for the ABS in the Battery Junction Box under the hood. Yes, the ABS light was always on, and the ABS was disabled (which I'm ok with), but the truck stopped when it was supposed to. I eventually replaced the ABS module with one from the salvage yard about 3 or 4 years later.
After replacing the ABS unit, I think I'd try something different if I ever had to do it again. The ABS unit appears to be 1 piece, and are sold as 1 unit (at least used ones are), but there's actually the mechanical reservoir that the fluid flows through, and an electronic module that controls it. If I have this problem again, I'll swap out the electronic module and leave the reservoir in place. If that doesn't resolve the problem, I'll replace the reservoir, too.
Glad for all the responses and advice! Your post here is the fastest and easiest to try. Right now the mechanic is extremely busy and can't work on my Ex. Now to find that fuse....This forum is the best!! Ford Explorer (1995 - 2001) - fuse box diagram (USA version) - Auto Genius
 






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If this is your fuse box under hood fuse #3 In yellow
 






Keep in mind that when you pull that fuse on a '98... at least on mine when I did that, it causes loss of speedometer, and sets a trouble code, that remained when I put the fuse back in. Maybe after some drive time, the code would go away, but I cleared it with Torque or Forscan app and an ELM327 dongle instead of waiting to find out.

Wouldn't unplugging one of the speed sensors be a better option then, disabling ABS without loss of speedo?
 






Wouldn't unplugging one of the speed sensors be a better option then, disabling ABS without loss of speedo?
I did suggest that in an earlier post To save this speedometer from going out
Let me be clear I'm just too lazy to type all of it out so thank you for doing that for me
 






The fuse I pulled only affected the ABS, but that was on a Sport Trac. There are differences between Explorers and STs.

If you replace the ABS unit, the used ones are generally, but not always, listed by the part # on the tag shown in the photo above. That # is for the electronic module. The part I called a reservoir above (valve body might be a better term) has its own part #, but the tag is very difficult/impossible to see in the vehicle with the electronic module attached and plugged in.
 






You can also unplug a front wheel speed sensor, that will disable the abs without pulling a speedometer fuse. The wires for the front wheel speed sensors simply unplug just below/behind the front bumper
The 99-04 trucks the abs pump does the
Math for the dash speedometer… so no abs pump power no speedometer and the pcm won’t know you are moving

I would first visually check brake
Fluid Level, then each caliper and brake hose for a leak… then disable the abs
The mechanic who did your brakes should not be too busy to Help you at least with that,
Since safety is extremely important

This is exactly why I delete the 4wabs from
My Personal vehicles, I hate the abs system on these rigs
 






You can also unplug a front wheel speed sensor, that will disable the abs without pulling a speedometer fuse. The wires for the front wheel speed sensors simply unplug just below/behind the front bumper
The 99-04 trucks the abs pump does the
Math for the dash speedometer… so no abs pump power no speedometer and the pcm won’t know you are moving

I would first visually check brake
Fluid Level, then each caliper and brake hose for a leak… then disable the abs
The mechanic who did your brakes should not be too busy to Help you at least with that,
Since safety is extremely important

This is exactly why I delete the 4wabs from
My Personal vehicles, I hate the abs system on these rigs
Unplug just one sensor from a front wheel? Disabling the ABS without other consequences? That would be great. I noticed when it slides forward it feels exactly like sliding on ice. And the brake pedal is a little bit lower, and have to press harder on it to stop, which it does. Never missed the ABS on the Taurus drove it for 5 years with the ABS light on.
No brake fluid loss nor pulling or pulsating brake pedal. Got to find that sensor plug!
 






Yes either front wheel sensor. They're a bit awkward to get to, clipped to the front (radiator?) support panel so just follow the wire. I'd also grab a plastic bag and zip tie, to seal off and hold the loose connector still while unplugged, if the problem turns out to be ABS related based on not happening once the sensor is disconnected, and you want to drive it a while without ABS.

"IF" I recall correctly, I was able to unplug the sensors using just my hand to push in the side tab to release them, didn't need a screwdriver/pick/pliers/etc to get it off.

ABS Pigtail Plug.png
 






Unplug just one sensor from a front wheel? Disabling the ABS without other consequences? That would be great. I noticed when it slides forward it feels exactly like sliding on ice. And the brake pedal is a little bit lower, and have to press harder on it to stop, which it does. Never missed the ABS on the Taurus drove it for 5 years with the ABS light on.
No brake fluid loss nor pulling or pulsating brake pedal. Got to find that sensor plug!
Keep us posted.
From your description I feel like either the brake assist is loosing vacuum, or, the master cylinder is loosing pressure. Disabling abs will rule that out as a cause.
 






Keep us posted.
From your description I feel like either the brake assist is loosing vacuum, or, the master cylinder is loosing pressure. Disabling abs will rule that out as a cause.
Still trying to figure that out, now it makes a little 'Whoop" noise when it happens, and once it made a little grumbling sound. Fluid isn't leaking either. Can't get anyone around here to help right now.
 



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Yes either front wheel sensor. They're a bit awkward to get to, clipped to the front (radiator?) support panel so just follow the wire. I'd also grab a plastic bag and zip tie, to seal off and hold the loose connector still while unplugged, if the problem turns out to be ABS related based on not happening once the sensor is disconnected, and you want to drive it a while without ABS.

"IF" I recall correctly, I was able to unplug the sensors using just my hand to push in the side tab to release them, didn't need a screwdriver/pick/pliers/etc to get it off.

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just saw this, very helpful! Thanks.
 






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