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Sooo, if halon is illegal now, what do I do with my halon extinguisher? Does that mean I need to bring it to the hazmat place once it goes out of date? I'm glad I had the halon, and even more glad I've never used it..

It's not illegal to posess, you just usually can't get halon anymore except for special circumstances that require halon as an extinguishing agent, usually with a special permit. You might find a place willing to refill and inspect it for you, but chances are even if you do, it won't be cheap.

While it's still good, you could probably sell the extinguisher for a good bit to people that swear by halon and won't use any of the newer substitutes, then use that to get yourself a nice Halotron extinguisher and spend the rest on other mods...
 



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You've got to act quickly and "nip it in the bud". I have two 2.5lb bottles in the Pumpkin. One on each side.

If the fire gets hold, it's not going to be easy to put out. Always aim for the base of the fire, not just into the flames.

So I looked through the 6 pages in this link, and see they have the Halguard in a 2.5# size and a 5# size, both handheld.. Also, they have a 10# standard ABC type handheld.

Which if any, do you all think would have been adequate to snuff out this, or any other 'real' vehicle fire, if'n the typical 2.5# ABC is near useless?

I've been carrying a 2.5# ABC for years, and now might consider upgrading...
 






I wheeled John Bull in Big Bear with the Original Owner of that rig. I also somewhat know the second owner that had sold it to the current owner about a year ago. It was a pretty sweet rig and cutting edge for its day. Sad seeing it go up in flames.

The spot where it burned is right by the Waterfall. you can see the street signs in the back ground.
 






that doesnt look to good
 






Well said, Sam. ;)
 






daaam always have at least one fire ex. for the ex =p fires are a fast way to ruin your day
 






I've gotten crap from friends for carrying an ABC extinguisher for years. One of those larger Halotrons is on my "to buy" list, too. As a FF, I've seen too many car fires to not have one. People driving aorund without one are nuts, IMO.
 






Cleaning the rig from a ABC is still better then a burned down truck:rolleyes:
 






So this has stuck in my mind, and them yesterday, the fire ex guy came to our work to recharge our extinquishers.
I had the 2.5# ABC in my Ranger done, (it was expired!) and I asked him about CO2 versions, mentioned by Anime earlier in this thread.
I asked him what a 5# CO2 ex would cost, he said maybe $200.
Later, I dawned on me that I ALREADY have a 10# CO2 tank, for my onboard air! Several of us do!
I wondering, would it be possible to modify it to work as an extinquisher, and still function filling tires? Would it need to have no regulator at all to fight fire?
Thoughts?
 






I would think that the regulator would have to be completely removed in order to get any sort of extinguishing power. One of those cone applicators would be a plus, too...
 






Wow, glad to see I'm not the only one that carries one. I also have a container behind the drivers seat with the following items: First Aid Kit, Snake Bite Kit, Compass, Blanket, Recovery Gear, Batteries, Spotlight, Flashlight and various other items that might come in handy in a crisis.

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Always aim for the base of the fire, not just into the flames.
Exactly, it takes three things to create fire: Heat, Air and Fuel. Remove anyone of them and the fire is out. Aiming at the base can do all three at once.
 






Cleaning the rig from a ABC is still better then a burned down truck:rolleyes:
Exactly, that makes me wonder if someone would rather me not use mine and watch their rig burn up. If they have an alternative, then I'll keep back, but if they're watching it burn, I'm gonna hit it hard with ABC.
 






So this has stuck in my mind, and them yesterday, the fire ex guy came to our work to recharge our extinquishers.
I had the 2.5# ABC in my Ranger done, (it was expired!) and I asked him about CO2 versions, mentioned by Anime earlier in this thread.
I asked him what a 5# CO2 ex would cost, he said maybe $200.
Later, I dawned on me that I ALREADY have a 10# CO2 tank, for my onboard air! Several of us do!
I wondering, would it be possible to modify it to work as an extinquisher, and still function filling tires? Would it need to have no regulator at all to fight fire?
Thoughts?

I thought of this too actually Bill. I asked about this over on pirate about a week ago, and nobody said it exsist, but was a good idea. I think next offroad show, I'll talk to the powertank guys about this.;)
 






So this has stuck in my mind, and them yesterday, the fire ex guy came to our work to recharge our extinquishers.
I had the 2.5# ABC in my Ranger done, (it was expired!) and I asked him about CO2 versions, mentioned by Anime earlier in this thread.
I asked him what a 5# CO2 ex would cost, he said maybe $200.
Later, I dawned on me that I ALREADY have a 10# CO2 tank, for my onboard air! Several of us do!
I wondering, would it be possible to modify it to work as an extinquisher, and still function filling tires? Would it need to have no regulator at all to fight fire?
Thoughts?

Nice idea, but are you sure the tank contains ONLY Carbon Dioxide? It's not an "air" (Hydrogen, Nitrogen, Oxygen, etc.) tank? If it's pure CO2 and you can deliver it fast enough, sure, it might work. Anything else and you'll just be delivering more of what the fire wants to burn. If it's CO2 and can dump the whole 10#'s fast enough to put out a fire, you'd probably also need to make an adapter for the hose similar to the nozzle on CO2 extinguishers.

It might be a nice setup for putting out your own on-vehicle fires (even better if you could rig up a hose system to dump the tank into the engine bay with the hood closed to instantly extinguish any fires), but would have limited off-vehicle use depending on the portability of the tank or the length of hose. I guess you could always drive close to the vehicle that needed it and make the hose reach. I'd *still* suggest keeping a portable extinguisher or two handy, though, especially since CO2 isn't the most effective agent on fires that aren't in small, enclosed spaces.


My choice for a "budget" extinguisher for automotive use would be one with Potassium Bicarbonate (Purple-K, used to fight aircraft fires). It's twice as effective on electrical/fuel fires as the Ammonium Phosphate used in standard red ABC extinguishers (or the Sodium Bicarbonate used in usual white BC extinguishers), and less corrosive. It's not exactly cheap, but it's not Halotron or CO2, either.


Also, just because an ABC extinguisher "expires" a year past it's inspection doesn't mean it must be recharged, or even inspected. Most modern extinguishers can go years without maintenance, as long as they don't leak. It does help if you handle the extinguisher once a year or so and even turn it upside down or tap it on the ground to keep the chemicals broken up. You only need an extinguisher to be inspected yearly if it's for commercial or business use, to comply with fire prevention regulations.
 






... It does help if you handle the extinguisher once a year or so and even turn it upside down or tap it on the ground to keep the chemicals broken up. ...

I was just going to suggest the same thing. You need to shake them, preferably every month or so, so the dry chemical doesn't rock up in the bottom. At my work we go through annual fire extinguisher training (hands on actually putting out fires) and I'll tell you right now those little 2.5# "kitchen" sized models are garbage. They are good to put out a small trash can fire but definitely not a fuel or trans oil fire that has plenty of supply. Funny, during our training about 30% of those little guys fail right out of the box. Scary...

I keep two 10# ABC's at my house and a 10# in each truck. Not sure they will guarantee my safety but at least I have a chance. In your car it is VERY IMPORTANT to keep them out of the way of things accidentally setting them off or being mobile during a car accident. Don't want that thing clocking your head in a roll over!

Be safe!
 






wow.. that really sucks.

a good wake up call for the rest of us though.

a few months ago i went to Lowes and bought an extinguisher for every one of my vehicles (both on and off road)... and good quality ones, too. i had a diesel tractor start on fire once a couple years ago and had one of those cheesy $15 extinguishers.. i tried to put it out with that, but it was useless.
 






The Kidde extinguishers that Lowe's/Home Depot/Walmart and other stores sell are ok, and certainly better than nothing, but you can get a much higher quality extinguisher, (and sometimes at a lower or similar price) from a store that specializes in them. Not everyone lives in a city that has a fire extinguisher specialist, or even an industrial/commerical safety supply, but it can be worth the trip to the nearest town/city that has one. You can also trade in your old extinguisher or have it recharged, rather than have to throw it away.
 









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I was watching a truck show over the weekend and they talked about a new type of fire extinguisher that is a wet based not a powder.

I realize this thread is 2 months old, BUT....
The extinguishing agent is called Cold Fire and it's my mother-in-laws company that makes it! We've been manufacturing Cold Fire for about 15 years now. It's used in the racing industry quite a bit. It has the ability to extinguish fuel fires by encapsulating the fuel source and neutralizing it. That prevents reignition and it also cools surfaces to the touch.
The United States Military is currently testing it for their Hum-V's.
Cold Fire is a UL Listed (2N75) Wetting Agent under the guidelines of NFPA-18

For more information or to purchase a really nice extinguisher for your vehicle go to www.firefreeze.com
 






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