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From 4.0 to 5.8 before and after

itsmine

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Sykesville, Maryland
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1994 Sport Trac
Hello all. The purpose of this thread is for educational purposes. I have a 1994 explorer 4.0 with the M50D-R1 manual trans. Now, this donor Explorer has 266,000 miles on it. When I got this vehicle, it was running just fine. Now, obviously, it didn't run fine for long. That M50D-R1 trans is junk. The transmissions are built by Mazda, and have a couple features that lead to early failure.The most prominent feature is those rubber plugs that seal the shift rails on top at the selector cover. The plugs dry out, and fall out
or leak. Oil gets out, dirt gets in, and the trans is toast. Basically, the bearings on the upper shaft "weld" (or melt) to the upper shaft and you are always going to be stuck in a gear. It is pointless to rebuild these transmissions, as it would cost upwards of $1,000.00 after labor and parts. And, a new trans for it is going to run you about $800-1700 smackers depending on where you go. The $800.00 ones are from the dealers that you don't know and probably don't trust on the internet. The one's for $1,700.00+ are from well known parts stores (Advance, Pep Boys, Car Quest, etc. etc. etc.). Now, I figured that it would be a good learning experience for the newbies on this site (like myself...but I got 25 years of turning wrenches on cars under my belt) and the motor heads in general to have a thread on this site with step by step instructions on how to remove the 4.0 and trans from a stock explorer and drop a 351W with a c4 transmission in it. This thread will be updated every day that I am working on it. Currently, the engine (4.0) is still in the Explorer. I am waiting for the 5.8 to arrive. I already have a donor 75 Mustang with a c4 thats got less than 20,000 miles on it, that I am going to be putting in this Explorer. Now, obviously, it will no longer be 4x4 and a longer drive shaft is going to have to be make to compensate for the difference. And don't think that the 351 thats going in it is going to be stock. I will update this thread with in depth descriptions and pictures (as well as prices for parts) that are going to be needed to modify the Windsor and the explorer. The thread will hopefully be started tomorrow with me removing the 4.0 and trans. Thank you and enjoy the thread!
 



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Very ****! I liked those links. Good builds.
 












hell yes 351 is a tight fit, the c4 will fit nicely, why not keep 4x4?
with a c5 tailhousing and output shaft you could keep the 1354 t case

also 266K miles is good for any 5 speed, although I agree the Mazda 5 speed SUCKS especially the internal slave cylinder setup
 






hell yes 351 is a tight fit, the c4 will fit nicely, why not keep 4x4?
with a c5 tailhousing and output shaft you could keep the 1354 t case

also 266K miles is good for any 5 speed, although I agree the Mazda 5 speed SUCKS especially the internal slave cylinder setup


The Mazda 5 speed is a horrible transmission. lol. The 4x4 causing to much power loss through the drivetrain. The purpose to this swap is not just for fun. It is to build a very rare "sleeper." I don't know how many 5.0 explorers I have seen...but i guarantee you that it is more than I can count on fingers. But, I have NEVER seen a windsor swap in an explorer. I think that it will be a very interesting project.
 






By the way, the 351 did not arrive today:mad: Hopefully it will arrive tomorrow.
 












its a tight fit thats for sure but it can and has been done, possibly not the windsor version that I just dont know.....

sleeper for sure, you can use an RV muffler to dampen that exhaust :)
 






Does anyone make a set of good headers to put the 351 in a Explorer?
 






I'd be interested in seeing you keep the 4x4. I'm thinking of swapping in a 351W auto and keeping my 4x4. Will the tailshaft of a C5 fit on the c4? I'd probably have to yank most of the computer out, I bet. I'd do it for a daily driver.
 






what happened to the build? No info since Sept.? Just asking, I would like to see how this turns out.
 






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