low/high sametime w/o britebox

[hunterdan]

I was checking the voltage at the harness and battery. At the harness was around 12.5 and at the battery it was at 14.4 or so. Sorry for the confusion.

Dan

 

[oplitic]

I was checking the voltage at the harness and battery. At the harness was around 12.5 and at the battery it was at 14.4 or so. Sorry for the confusion.

Dan

oh ok. I'll have to check this out. Shoulda just brought my DMM home with me. But I have the memory of a gold fish, so I'm screwed. lol.

 

[storlied]

Okay, so... I'm going to get a britebox from a friend...
But it's not the 9007 bulb one.. the part number is...
"6314 QUAD BEAM"

Will this work for my application?

 

[storlied]

Is our light setups like... can we wire up a relay to one headlight and it affects the other or what?

 

[Bill Kemp]

Look at the pics of the the KC relay and figure it out.

 

[storlied]

It says for 4 bulb setups only, and all of this still doesn't explain how the light wiring setup is in the explorer.. I've read what I do to one light, I have to do to the other. But I've also read, that whatever I do to the driver's side headlight gets passed onto the passenger. The KC kit has only one relay.. I don't want to end up having one head light that does it only.

 

[hunterdan]

If your worried about it, then do 2 relays, its only a few dollars more then just follow the KC diagram for each headlight. If you still can not figure it out, then maybe you should just buy the right britebox. This would eliminate the risk of damage to your vehicle and yourself.

Dan

 

[oplitic]

It says for 4 bulb setups only, and all of this still doesn't explain how the light wiring setup is in the explorer.. I've read what I do to one light, I have to do to the other. But I've also read, that whatever I do to the driver's side headlight gets passed onto the passenger. The KC kit has only one relay.. I don't want to end up having one head light that does it only. Calm down.

You have to do it to each healdight. They are one seperate circuits so if you do it to one headlight, the other wil not be effected.

 

[storlied]

Would it be safe to run them both off one relay? That wouldn't kill the voltage, would it?

What about using one relay, and having wires running off of it to both lights, to both of the low beam wires?

I was thinking it would be triggered by my driver's side high, which the relay puts power to the lows on both headlights??

 

[storlied]

Where's the relay that turns the low off when high is triggered? I could just remove it, right? or cut a certain wire..

 

[oplitic]

Would it be safe to run them both off one relay? That wouldn't kill the voltage, would it?

What about using one relay, and having wires running off of it to both lights, to both of the low beam wires?

I was thinking it would be triggered by my driver's side high, which the relay puts power to the lows on both headlights??

I'm not trying to be mean, or a dick or anything, but this will be my last post on here, we have told you over and over how to do it. Given many ideas, shown you ways that have been done and known to work, drawn diagrams. Just do it. We wouldn't say to use two if you could use one. We're trying to do this the cheapest possible.

All relays that are readily available (atleast in my area, if I want bigger I have to order online) are rated at 20-30 amps. So each light needs there own.

 

[IZwack]

Storlied pick up a repair manual and get cracking -- most of what you need has already been set out in front of you.

 

[Turdle]

And as I said before
before you buy any mods-Buy a 25 dollar multimeter at walmart.
I was going to say only an idiot would modify their wiring without one, but i won't.

 

[celly]

I went to RadioShack & got a IN4004 Diode. (1amp 400volt) ($1.)
I pluged it into the unused passenger side headlamp plug w/the band on the diode on the low beam side. Just like the pics in the powerstroke post.
It work just like advertized. High & Low on at the same time.
While doing it I realized that it is indeed just turning on the low beam relay in the heavy duty harness. So the amp load is negligible.
Remember, you do need a harness to do this mod. All total its half the price of the bright box and you have a harness which IMO is very desirable.

Hiya Bill:

I'm totally bringing this thread back from the dead, but I want to know how the above "diode mod" is working for you. The reason I ask is that I got my Suvlights 9007 harness yesterday. Very happy with that purchase. Well made and feels solid. Of course installation is dead simple. I had scored a Taiwanese version earlier and it simply didn't work. The Suvlights one worked right away.

I took the opportunity to wire in the KC Lites quad beam kit upstream of the harness (i.e. at the stock harness just before it connects to the Suvlights harness). Quad beam doesn't work. In fact the "flash to pass" functionality standard to the Explorer (keeping high and low on at the same time) doesn't work (it's a Suvlights harness thing because it doesn't work either with or without the KC Lites kit). The harness seems to "override" what the upstream relay is trying to achieve.

I did some searching around last night and came across this thread again (I read it when I was searching for info on the KC Lites kit and just glazed over the diode discussion then). I read that guy's post on the other site who did this "diode mod" on his F150 and I'm thinking of giving it a go (seems simple enough). Can't hurt since it's so cheap, but I don't want to cause grief either (i.e. blowing fuses etc). I plan to get the same rated diode as you did. I seem to recall that Hunterdan blew a fuse because he did NOT use an upgraded harness. You said that this mod only works on the harness so that much I can relate to.

Any long term issues I should be aware of? It seems that this mod only works for those with upgraded harnesses so I assume it will work with my new one.

Thanks as always.

Brad

 

[Bill Kemp]

I have this mod on the mtneer. No problems yet. I am going to remove it because I really dont like the low beams on when I want to see further down the road.
I dont know if the HID will effect it in any way. Cant see why it should.
I am curious as to why the KC kit doesnt work.

 

[celly]

I have this mod on the mtneer. No problems yet. I am going to remove it because I really dont like the low beams on when I want to see further down the road.
I dont know if the HID will effect it in any way. Cant see why it should.
I am curious as to why the KC kit doesnt work.

Bill:

Thanks for the reply. I'll try the diode thing. I'll double check my connections. I know the relay must work because I originally got the high and low beam splices backwards (i.e. I splices the high beam wire from the kit to the low beam wire on the OEM harness and vice versa). When I turned on my lights, it would only go to highbeam no matter what and when I turned off the lights completely at the switch, it wouldn't turn off at all.

I quickly realized my error and switched the wires. The lights worked normally at that point, but no quad beams.

Could it be that the relays within the harness itself doesn't allow another relay upstream like that? I truly don't understand how relays work so not really sure what's going on. I was a bit surprised that the "flash to pass" option (i.e. keeping both high and low) wouldn't work either with the harness (before the KC Lites kit was installed), so I'm assuming this is related.

Brad

 

[Bill Kemp]

Well, I hope I didnt lead you in the wrong direction w/KC kit. It works fine in the Cad(GM) and I didnt need it in the Merc. but I cant see why it wouldnt work the same way in a two light system. All its doing is using the high beam power to feed back into the low beams when the high beams are on. Seems simple enough.
Maby a long winter/cabin fever has got me adaled ???

 

[celly]

Well, I hope I didnt lead you in the wrong direction w/KC kit. It works fine in the Cad(GM) and I didnt need it in the Merc. but I cant see why it wouldnt work the same way in a two light system. All its doing is using the high beam power to feed back into the low beams when the high beams are on. Seems simple enough.
Maby a long winter/cabin fever has got me adaled ???

Bill, I never orignally planned to go the Suvlights harness route so don't feel you led me astray! This whole process has been very educational. I've had my new lights in and out many times now and I really like where they are now. This week I cleaned up the wiring, got some better HID bulbs, sealed up the lights (including the HID wiring leading into the back), disconnected the halos and swapped out the white LEDs for amber and pretty much have them where I want them now. This weekend I plan to finally mount the ballasts and the relays for the harness and that should be about it.

If the diode method does work for me, it's a small price to pay to get what I've been trying to achieve since I got the projectors.

As always, I really appreciate the input. I'm sure the KC Lites setup would work wonders in another setup and it wasn't too expensive anyhow.

TGIF!

Brad

 

[Bill Kemp]

Now I know how that big Pike I lost fishing last year feels. Nice to be off the hook.

 

[celly]

Now I know how that big Pike I lost fishing last year feels. Nice to be off the hook.

I tried the diode trick tonight using the exact diode you did. For whatever reason, still nothing. I was very careful to make sure it was inserted the right way and still nothing. I'm getting pretty close to giving up this deal beam quest.