HHO: Is it alchemy? Or will it improve gas mileage on a ’99 4.0 SOHC Explorer?

[bigman4921]

good info video
http://youtube.com/watch?v=m7Dkj_ptMqA&feature=related

 

[trucku]

good info video
http://youtube.com/watch?v=m7Dkj_ptMqA&feature=related

Wow that was excellent. I have not seen a response like that before.

Good post.

 

[MustangP51]

good info video
http://youtube.com/watch?v=m7Dkj_ptMqA&feature=related

Now I understand ( i think ) how to make cells with more then 2 plates in them. I will be working on a second HHO tomorrow.

 

[ROCKETKID]

Great thread! So has this been helping at all?

 

[bigman4921]

yea it a pretty good video well explained hho gen not well studied in chem or physics so I have to do a lot of reading.... idea...... I have no real space under my sporttrac to mount a hho unit. I got to thinking I can just relocate the battery to the bed of my truck and build a hho unit around the same size, this be a lot safer then putting the hho in the bed because the i have to run a line whole length of the truck. but if i did put the gen in my bed if i found away to lower the risk the hho gen size it pretty much unlimited size.

and what about running two batteries for more power for the unit???

 

[bigman4921]

MustangP51 you should do some testing on your old mustang the gains can easily be gained because the lack of sensors!!! just a thought

 

[aldive]

My first gas mileage data on the HHO trial is now available.

Take a look at http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1962354#post1962354

So far so good ....

 

[Pensa]

So you are showing a modest increase at this time. Not bad, you can build on that.

 

[bigman4921]

al are you still using the one you bought/ did you modify it in any way and by any chance do you know volume of gas your making!!!

tom

 

[aldive]

al are you still using the one you bought/

Yes

did you modify it in any way

Not as of yet.

and by any chance do you know volume of gas your making!!!

tom

Not yet. My flow meter is due here any day. I shall report data when available.

 

[bigman4921]

thanks for the quick response, I should be building my 3rd gen in about a week or two I want to due a lot more reading 1st
tom

 

[dkchrist]

I don't claim to be a chemist or a engine tech or anything like that but the amount of energy made versus energy used never comes out even though your fuel mileage may increase you are taxing other systems (electrical). If you have an 90 amp alternator you are drawing over 25% of capacity making the alternator pull harder negating some effects. Simply put if anything you are increasing the useable content of the air nothing more the same could be accomplished by fogging the intake with oxygen or increasing your fuel pressure making the fuel more available to the air. The numbers on the available energy (exergy) you are talking is relatively close but you must assume perfect consumption. Essentially most of what is being done is called an "Italian tuneup", pulling water into your intact cleaning out carbon deposits and cooling the engine. Both of which are good. Then the sludge. We work so hard to block things like this but we are giving a a free shot at the engine. Another thing to look at your "Brown's Gas" only has .2% of the energy of gasoline even at twenty percent efficiency this gas only is 1% of the energy of the gasoline being burned. Nothing adds up for the electrolysis. Smells a lot like acetone treatment, a lot of speculation. Sorry for any grammatical errors, I am an engineer not author. But Keep up the good work I would love to be proved wrong.

 

[briwayjones]

I don't claim to be a chemist or a engine tech or anything like that but the amount of energy made versus energy used never comes out even though your fuel mileage may increase you are taxing other systems (electrical). If you have an 90 amp alternator you are drawing over 25% of capacity making the alternator pull harder negating some effects.

Please explain how this is. I've heard people use this argument but have yet to really figure it out. An Alternator spins at the same speed no matter how much power it's making. Does it some how put resistance on the pulley the more power it makes? I didn't think so. I thought that if the vehicle needs less power the power outputted by the Alternator is just regulated by a regulator? And if the vehicle needs more power the regulator just lets more power through from the Alternator? And the Alternator actually always produces the same amount of power depending on engine speed?

 

[aldive]

Essentially most of what is being done is called an "Italian tuneup", pulling water into your intact cleaning out carbon deposits and cooling the engine. Both of which are good.

Sorry, but that is not what is happening when using HHO.

 

[wyochimneysweep]

the pull is a little stonger but at the most your using is 10 amps but most recommend 5 amps a cells so dont know where you get 25 % and anyways if that was true then putting a electric fan on wouldn't help cuz mine pulls 25 amps when it kicks on.

 

[manaen]

Just out of curiosity, what would happen if you would put some h2o2 in there instead of water?

 

[bigman4921]

hho guys,
alright their is doubter out so what! this what the hho experiment is for to see if works or not. their will alway be doubter,these same people that make bold statement/arguments before doing research. let stay focused on our goal to save gas/ money I know my tank hasn't made 1/2 way for a month now!! and it wont until I start testing my unit!

 

[trucku]

Please explain how this is. I've heard people use this argument but have yet to really figure it out. An Alternator spins at the same speed no matter how much power it's making. Does it some how put resistance on the pulley the more power it makes? I didn't think so. I thought that if the vehicle needs less power the power outputted by the Alternator is just regulated by a regulator? And if the vehicle needs more power the regulator just lets more power through from the Alternator? And the Alternator actually always produces the same amount of power depending on engine speed?

I have read in a few places that the alternator load changes with how much int needs to output. Honestly not many people have claimed that on this site. If so then then we will have to have the HHO generator make enough to compensate for its own consumption and then to supplement mileage.



Looking for some literature to post.

 

[briwayjones]

I have read in a few places that the alternator load changes with how much int needs to output. The alternator is not outputting full all the time and the regulator not holding that back. The regulator is controlling how much volts/amps the alternator needs to produce depending on demand.

I bet you could test this with the scanguage. set it to LOAD and then watch the load go up when you start turning things on. I have played around with watching the load change depending on whats on.

Looking for some literature to post.

How does the load on the Alternator actually change the load on the engine though?

 

[trucku]

How does the load on the Alternator actually change the load on the engine though?

you know what its confusing I just looked through 3 sites and I am confused. I would think the change in magnetic field increases with demand and creates more resistance to turning.

Still looking. Hoping one of our Electrical Engineers will chime in and help...
I have no shame saying " I don't know"....lol

AlternatorGeneratorTheory.htm.