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I'm trading emails with Tom, from T&M Off Road Products, about his doubler (Tom's Doubler) for our Explorers. I need at least four more people, interested enough to put down a non-refundable $100 deposit, and we will have our doublers.
Why Tom's Doubler over an Atlas II?
1. Price - At $750 for the complete unit with shifter, Tom's Doubler is less than half the cost of the cheapest Atlas.
2. More Gearing >> More versatility - An Atlas provides only High (1:1) and Low (3.8:1 or 4.3:1) which is great if all you do is crawl rocks, or if you have the cash and transmission to combine it with a Klune V. I admit the Atlas II 4.3 & Klune V 2.7 Is The Ultimate, but it comes at a very high price, and isn't feasible for anyone who hasn't done the 700R4 swap. (Klune V won't bolt up to the stock X transmissions... I've called.) Tom's doubler provides High (1:1), stock low (2.48:1) and super low (~6.15 = 2.48 x 2.48) and since it's a BW1350, it's compatible with the Stock X transmissions and T-Cases.
PS: I searched this board to get as much info as possible and found this thread, which has died on the vine: http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91098&page=1&pp=20
Based upon a comment in the thread above, I have specifically asked Tom about reported leaks and torched / welded surfaces Vs. machined surfaces. I also explained that since my X is my daily driver, I can't do this if his product is not reliable enough / built with such tolerances to be used on the street. I will keep you all posted on replies.
More Info on Tom's Doubler by T&M Products:
Direct from T&M's website: http://www.tandmoffroadproducts.com/
"T and M's doubler is an intermediate gearbox placed, between the vehicle's stock transmission and transfer-case. The Doubler has a high 1:1 ratio, neutral, and a low 2.48:1 ratio. Combined with the original transfer-case's 2.48:1, an ultra low 6.25:1 is attained, as well as neutral position for those vehicles with an electrically shifted transfer case. The Doubler comes with the hardware to bolt in between your transmission and your transfer case, and a custom shifter. The Doubler is a modified BW 1350 transfer case, and most all repair parts are available through Ford Motor Company parts. The main shaft is a custom machined and hardened one piece shaft, and the rear housing is specially fabricated. More versatile than a lower geared transfer-case and much less expensive than other reduction gear boxes, we feel this is the right solution for those needing a lower final gear ratio for their small ford off-road vehicles.
There are several vehicle modifications required to accommodate the doubler. Rangers will need the side mount fuel tank slid rearward 2 1/2" in order to clear rear of relocated transfer case. Ranger's, Bronco II's, and Explorer's will need the transmission cross member modified or replaced with a T&M heavy duty cross member. Also, the radius arm cross member will need removed or the radius arms replaced with extended types. These last 2 modifications are necessary to maintain adequate front drive shaft clearance. In all installations, both front rear driveshaft lengths are changed from original. No body lift is required, but would allow for less modification to floor sheetmetal. Basic tools are required and this enhancement can be done easily in one weekend.
The Doubler has a 180 day limited warranty in all vehicles with V-6 engines, and tire sizes less than 38 1/2" (although the Doubler will perform as well as any BW 1350/54 in a heavily modified vehicle)."
Please let me know ASAP if you are really intested enough to put down a non-refundable $100 deposit.
Thanks!!
Why Tom's Doubler over an Atlas II?
1. Price - At $750 for the complete unit with shifter, Tom's Doubler is less than half the cost of the cheapest Atlas.
2. More Gearing >> More versatility - An Atlas provides only High (1:1) and Low (3.8:1 or 4.3:1) which is great if all you do is crawl rocks, or if you have the cash and transmission to combine it with a Klune V. I admit the Atlas II 4.3 & Klune V 2.7 Is The Ultimate, but it comes at a very high price, and isn't feasible for anyone who hasn't done the 700R4 swap. (Klune V won't bolt up to the stock X transmissions... I've called.) Tom's doubler provides High (1:1), stock low (2.48:1) and super low (~6.15 = 2.48 x 2.48) and since it's a BW1350, it's compatible with the Stock X transmissions and T-Cases.
PS: I searched this board to get as much info as possible and found this thread, which has died on the vine: http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91098&page=1&pp=20
Based upon a comment in the thread above, I have specifically asked Tom about reported leaks and torched / welded surfaces Vs. machined surfaces. I also explained that since my X is my daily driver, I can't do this if his product is not reliable enough / built with such tolerances to be used on the street. I will keep you all posted on replies.
More Info on Tom's Doubler by T&M Products:
Direct from T&M's website: http://www.tandmoffroadproducts.com/
"T and M's doubler is an intermediate gearbox placed, between the vehicle's stock transmission and transfer-case. The Doubler has a high 1:1 ratio, neutral, and a low 2.48:1 ratio. Combined with the original transfer-case's 2.48:1, an ultra low 6.25:1 is attained, as well as neutral position for those vehicles with an electrically shifted transfer case. The Doubler comes with the hardware to bolt in between your transmission and your transfer case, and a custom shifter. The Doubler is a modified BW 1350 transfer case, and most all repair parts are available through Ford Motor Company parts. The main shaft is a custom machined and hardened one piece shaft, and the rear housing is specially fabricated. More versatile than a lower geared transfer-case and much less expensive than other reduction gear boxes, we feel this is the right solution for those needing a lower final gear ratio for their small ford off-road vehicles.
There are several vehicle modifications required to accommodate the doubler. Rangers will need the side mount fuel tank slid rearward 2 1/2" in order to clear rear of relocated transfer case. Ranger's, Bronco II's, and Explorer's will need the transmission cross member modified or replaced with a T&M heavy duty cross member. Also, the radius arm cross member will need removed or the radius arms replaced with extended types. These last 2 modifications are necessary to maintain adequate front drive shaft clearance. In all installations, both front rear driveshaft lengths are changed from original. No body lift is required, but would allow for less modification to floor sheetmetal. Basic tools are required and this enhancement can be done easily in one weekend.
The Doubler has a 180 day limited warranty in all vehicles with V-6 engines, and tire sizes less than 38 1/2" (although the Doubler will perform as well as any BW 1350/54 in a heavily modified vehicle)."
Please let me know ASAP if you are really intested enough to put down a non-refundable $100 deposit.
Thanks!!
