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1998 is return fuel system, 06 is returnless system, so those injectors may not actually "plug in" to the harness. They will "look " plugged in, but the connections will not be there.



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so I need the wiring harness too? easy peasy, I can just splice those in, no prob. right?
 



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interesting enough, The cat only gets hot when under low accel and low vehicle speed, cools down when I revv it.
 












inject the sploder

In just a few hours, the intake will come off and new injectors will go in. Well..... new . . er injectors anyway. I will let you know the results. I have the connectors from the "corrected" 01' explorer now, with the purple white stripe common wire. I'll take some pictures, I know I threatened it last time but this time for reals. The new injectors are red in color, but look pretty good and I have some new seals to go with them, the sploder they came from was a returnless system.
 






injector replacement

I haven't seen a sticky for this one, so here goes.
so gather the tools you will need ,torx bits, munkey knuckle, various 1/4 drive sockets, socket wrench, screwdriver, "mine is special, I bent it right at the tip on purpose, usefull for many things" rags, catch "for the gasoline rail drip", new injectors, windex, new o rings, wire brush, antisieze, 10 mil deep well "important" Now your install may differ slightly from year make and model, mine is an 98' xlt 4-door 2wd 4.0 SOHC, power everything. I removed the battery, and airbox as well as the entire intake manifold for more room and ease of work. You also should remove the throttle body, but it is not necessary as the whole intake is coming off. remove the throttle cables and disconnect all vacuum lines and electrical connectors connected to your central wiring harness. you may mark them and take plenty of pictures as needed but I like to stu,ble about with these things, makes it more fun and I learn more doing it this way. You may remove the coilpack, but I didn't. Also of note, removing the PCM on mine relieved some room for removing stubborn intake and fuel rail bolts, st remove the PCM cable and disconnect it from the firewall and shove it aside. Remove all eight intake bolts with the torx bit, as well as any stray connections like the vacuum assy. on the right side of the intake "the lines should be disconnected, and all elec. connectors should also be disconnected" disconnect and move the throttle cables. Remove the upper intake, then remove the lower intake bolts, also a torx in my case. Now you should be able to move the wiring harness somewhat, disconnect the injectors "initially this seemed hard, however, I simply removed one side then pulled on the connector and it came free on it's own, took a little umph" move the wiring harness out of the way, the plastic broke reinforcing the harness but I am not too woried as the wires are insulated anyway. I actually forgot a step before moving the wiring harness, you need to disconnect the large square connector that runs to the drivers side on my sploder, has a 10mil bolt that runs through it. After moving the wiring harness, rock one side of the fuel rail back and forth to loosen the connection a little. get your catch and drain the remaining pressure from the rail and set down some rags to prevent spillage. push a pin or something small into the hole on the fuel rail that looks like a tire fill hole and catch the gasoline. finish rocking the injector rails until they come free, this may take a little or great effort, in my case it was the latter, and my injectors stayed behind. Remove any injectors left behind and move the fuel rail, take care not to twist the injectors in or out, this wil cause the o-ring to bind and it would be troublesome to try to remove it before installing the new injectors, a dental tool would work well for this purpose if that hapens. Now use the windex on the new seals to ease them into the injector holes, after cleaning of course, then reverse deinstallation. Before attempting to start, turn your key like you will start it bu don't, wait a couple seconds and repeat, do this five or so times, then bleed the air from the tire air coupler on the fuel rail with the catch, continue until there is no air left, then start her up. I promise pictures coming soon.
 






drives better?

Still runs rough, and is still running rich. I will try cleaning the plugs and o2's and see what happens, but I really think that it is the PCM. No codes yet........ IDK, now I know why that a-hole sold it to me for 400.00.
 






you can probably recover 600.00 junking the thing .something to think about before you go investing too much more money and time .
sometimes you just gotta wash your hands of it .sounds like one of those mechanics nightmares .
 






reliable??

It is my only form of transportation right now, and no car in cali means death, everything is like a million miles away. Ok, so maybe I am exxagerating a little, but you just can't get by without a car in cali, at least, where i'm at anyway. I noticed something, when I disconnect the Trottle Position Sensor, the car runs and drives worlds better, like night and day. I also think that I have my o2 sensor cables swapped in the front or rear, because the codes it is throwing are looking like just that. I also noticed that when idling with the tps connected the drivers side cat glows, but disconnected the pass one does instead. why would it effect one side but not the other??? I just know I'm close. Aybody on this one, TPS is going to be replaced for sure must be intermittent cause I already tested it. Or could still be PCM?
thanks for the advice, I'll keep it in mind
 






Gotta be the PCM, nothing else left, it shouldn't drive with the throttle position disconnected, much ledd drive better. time to run a more thorough test.
 






Hi I am having almost the same problem my 2000 explorer is running really rough and has an intermittent knocking sound that is coming from the exhaust. When I first heard this I thought it was a bearing problem but it comes and goes. I found that disconnecting the EGR makes the idle better but still runs badly with no power and a noticeable misfire. I am getting fault codes for lean on both sides. I would also like to know if any one has a suggested solution.
Thanks
 






troubleshooting

EEC-V, is interesting to learn about. I am going to attempt to pay 150 to have the PCM flashed professionally with the latest firmware. If that doesn't work, then a new PCM it is. That comes to about 300+ for a "new" PCM 300+ the flash to allow all of my keys to work etc. So all in all about 750 in repairs, I think I'm getting too close to the buy a used "good" exploder price here. Anyone do the flash thing here on the forums?
 






to whom it may concern

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Help?

Ok, so it is def. not the TPS, it works, and I even tried replacing it to discover the same problem. still drives a million times better with the TPS diconnected, and I swapped the rear o2's connectors around. I will scan it tomorrow to see if there is any change. I need to be absolutely certain that he PCM is the problem before I start spendin all of this dough on it. Any help, especially from the sited professionals would be greatly appreciated.

thanks,

Kevin
 






Why?

With tps disconnected I have moderate throttle control, whitch tells me that I am diretly controlling the fuel air mixture for the most part, it still doesn't explain the sudden loss or gain of power and control. Suddenly without warning the car drives fine, especially at first startup, but then also without warning it drives like crap, there seems to be a pattern to it, but it is not dependant on driving conditions or engine temperature. With the TPS connected, it has similar symptoms, except it only really drives at all when it is floored. Doesn't move or drive unless the throttle is fully depressed then it runs at WOT until I let off the gas. So with TPS I only have WOT, without TPS I only have the lower throttle control, with med and WOT killing the engine almost. BTW good TPS, I don't know what to do. All new O2's , new cats "although I am afraid I may burn them up prematurely" What is wrong???? I am pulling out my hair here. I have one last ace up my sleeve, I want to run a complete voltage test off of the PCM, wish me luck.
 












Turdle, have you opened one up? I'm wondering if there is electrolytic capacitors in there that might be drying out? Ive heard of this, but never had to live the pain.

So, in theory, if the o2 sensor connectors are switched from end to end, the rich condition should follow, or the pcm is sending bad info to the injectors. This has to be something specific to the one bank.

Im starting to think an injector is firing way to much. The o2 sensors are reading correctly.
This is an excellent thread.
 






surgery

Yes, I have indeed opened the PCM up. I know what to look for, I am micromin cert. The entire board is covered with a silicone based coating to prevent drying out and moisture, there were no obvious signs of damage. I was also careful to properly ground myself to prevet any ESD. No bloated caps no burned terminals or connectors, this PCM is labeled with paint marker and an aluminum warranty void sticker, as if it is a replacement for the previous one, like you would see at a PCM repair shop, or on ebay, junkyard, ETC. I just don't know for 100% I know what my gut tells me, and my problem is that I second guess myself. I just don't know, would it be worth it to just call the guy, besides that I have to drive it all the way from 29 to yucca valley a 50+ min drive safely without ruining the engine. don't know if there will be enough gas to get me there either this thing sucks gas, and sure as hell does not haul ass. Other possibilities? I am thinking an intermittent hall effect sensor, like the Crank Position Sensor or Cam Position sensor maybe?
 






Turdle, have you opened one up? I'm wondering if there is electrolytic capacitors in there that might be drying out? Ive heard of this, but never had to live the pain.

So, in theory, if the o2 sensor connectors are switched from end to end, the rich condition should follow, or the pcm is sending bad info to the injectors. This has to be something specific to the one bank.

Im starting to think an injector is firing way to much. The o2 sensors are reading correctly.
This is an excellent thread.

I'll hook up the ol' code reader and tell ya what I find out, havent gotten the codes since I swapped the sensors. FYI I swapped the one side to the other, they are not exactly well labeled, so I probably did it when I swapped the O2's. I see your reasoning though, The injectors are fine, checked them before installation, good spray pattern. I think that it is specific to one bank. I'll check that out.
 






god bless ya man ,i would have washed my hands of that nightmare by now .

buy a cheap used car,part that x out and stop throwing your money away .
i feel your pain.
 



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terrible

It is shameful, but I am horrowed to report that there is simply no such thing as a "good" used car here in this part of California. A car that runs, drives passses smog, and is registered will set you back 2000 bucks reardless of year make or model, it will and usually does have problems. A vehicle meeting these qualifications but having better than average fuel economy will set you back an average of 500 to 1000 bucks more ex. Honda. I took a chance and bought the ford for 400 becaus I am still below the fair market value of the car here in Cali. And I also know that Ford circles all of their problems..... HYUK!:p:
 






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