supercharged 5.0 true fire 98 explorer sport

[410Fortune]

that has to be it, everything else is in place, tested and working

Is the cam sensor set 180 out because of the custom crank sensor?
If so then I will not need to do this I am using stock explorer crank sensor.

THIS IS GOING TO WORK!!! Friday cannot come soon enough

CNP = coil near plug, correct?

FYI frustration is part of the game when we get into custom conversions and setups like these, we shall persevere!!
Some take longer then others, and some are more frustrating then others, but they all eventually hit the road.
We are better for each battle we win

 

[vroomzoomboom]

so it was around 35C (95F) with the humidity yesterday, way to gross to work on anything. so when i got home it was a little more barrable (until mosquitoes big enough to have call letters on them came out) and flipped the cam sync out 180 degrees. i didnt want to try starting it incase it backfired and would wake up anyone within a block.
loaded the original start up tune in this morning and crossed my fingers. well, crossing my fingers didnt help, but it is closer now. it will turn, catch, then turn and catch. so i may have to advance the sync one tooth more because swinging it didnt make any difference. will have to try that tonight when i get home because its been raining on and off today. that and i can hopefully get a hold of the guy thats tuning it as well.

 

[4pointslow]

Progress is progress, you will have it going soon!

 

[vroomzoomboom]

so i have gave up on the guy that was going to tune it. 2 weeks have gone by and cant get ahold of him. this is the part that i hate, relying on other people to do something for you that you cant do yourself (or i cant yet). i was referred to a remote tuner in KS that has looked things over. if i didnt mention it before, for some reason it is loosing the crank signal. once again, took it out, looked the wiring over, made sure had the clearance it was supposed to have, yet if you try cranking it more then twice it looses signal. so what i am going to try (and i am sure it will mess somethings up) is put the stock sensor in and see what that does. the problem with that is its a 2 wire where the sensor i am using and holley are set up as 3 wire. according to holley i have to use both the ground wire from them and the input wire, so we shall see how this goes

 

[donalds]

I may be wrong but on most trucks the crank sensor wires are shielded like Coaxial cable All of the rotating parts in the engine will mess up The signal
This is just a thought hope it helps me

 

[allmyEXes]

Did you polarize your CPS or is your crank position polarized?

 

[vroomzoomboom]

Did you polarize your CPS or is your crank position polarized?

That I did not know until today. It is polarized, and no I did not do that. If you know how to, my ears (in this case eyes) are wide open! When I called motion race works they did mention this

 

[vroomzoomboom]

I may be wrong but on most trucks the crank sensor wires are shielded like Coaxial cable All of the rotating parts in the engine will mess up The signal
This is just a thought hope it helps me

There is a shielded wire that I have ran to ground

 

[allmyEXes]

@vroomzoomboom On my When I replaced my 2 wire crank sensor on my 4.0 SOHC, the replacement wires were black. That made me think that it didn't matter which way they went. I couldn't get it to run. Then @donalds asked me if I had hooked them up correctly because there is a + and a - wire. I swapped them, then it would start and run.

 

[vroomzoomboom]

@vroomzoomboom On my When I replaced my 2 wire crank sensor on my 4.0 SOHC, the replacement wires were black. That made me think that it didn't matter which way they went. I couldn't get it to run. Then @donalds asked me if I had hooked them up correctly because there is a + and a - wire. I swapped them, then it would start and run.

It’s a little different for a 3 wire. You have a groud, signal, and. 5v or 12v going to it. The wires I have checked a couple of times. I thought you had done the polarization for a 3 wire

 

[vroomzoomboom]

stuck the stock crank sensor in, and ***** still not working.

this is getting old......

and holley tech line is useless

 

[410Fortune]

no but it did change on the lights right? The video I saw of the new setup (stock crank sensor) has the cam and crank sensor LED lights blue while cranking. What does blue mean? Better than red I assume!!
Try your latest crank sensor wiring idea and lets see if that helps
seems like if you have fuel and you are getting spark (are you?) then it would be a timing issue or issue with the actual install of the supercharger/intakes/plumbing

 

[vroomzoomboom]

no but it did change on the lights right? The video I saw of the new setup (stock crank sensor) has the cam and crank sensor LED lights blue while cranking. What does blue mean? Better than red I assume!!
Try your latest crank sensor wiring idea and lets see if that helps
seems like if you have fuel and you are getting spark (are you?) then it would be a timing issue or issue with the actual install of the supercharger/intakes/plumbing

blue means gap detected......what ever that means.
when i got home last night, i looked over what the other guy sent me. i have it wired the way he told me to do. he did say he did change some things in the start up tune. he also mailed me this morning and said if it doesnt fire, to change the fire order in the ecu 180 out (but i dont think that would matter with it being a batch fire order).

 

[Dono]

Terminator X - Green on crank, Blue on cam? - Holley Performance Products Forums

Terminator X EFI Tuning & Tech

forums.holley.com

from the link:
"So I ended up speaking with a Holley tech on the phone and having blue on the LED for cam is bad. I must have a wire wrong on the longer cam harness that I have. I'll fix this weekend. Thanks Holley."

 

[vroomzoomboom]

Terminator X - Green on crank, Blue on cam? - Holley Performance Products Forums

Terminator X EFI Tuning & Tech

forums.holley.com

from the link:
"So I ended up speaking with a Holley tech on the phone and having blue on the LED for cam is bad. I must have a wire wrong on the longer cam harness that I have. I'll fix this weekend. Thanks Holley."

i quickly took a look at that don (thanks btw). i am also thinking his issue may be different then mine. he had said his is running. mine hasnt started yet. i can also say for the crank sensor it can also sometimes land between teeth and toss the blue led.
i can say i am very ready to rip this out and put the factory stuff back in.
the tuner was busy today, so he will have a look tomorrow. also the guy that played around with the tune is also free tomorrow. i as well have tomorrow off.

im also going to buy a few barrels of gas, and a shinny new lighter.....

 

[Dono]

And hot dogs?

Don't give up yet. Its easy to say from where I'm sitting, but there is an answer. I don't believe for a second that you wont find that answer.

 

[vroomzoomboom]

more fail. today i had both my tuner, as well as another person on a conference call while i was in the truck with the laptop going trying to figure out the problem (the other guy makes adaptors EFI Adapters for all the systems to work that the holley terminator wont). both of them couldnt figure out why i was either loosing signal with the motion sensor, and why it wouldnt even read the stock sensor. not to sound arrogant but they wanted to blame the wiring. when i told them the only thing that had to be done was put the connector on and that was it. that and also it would get a signal then drop it, so it couldnt be the wiring. (this is the crank sensor btw). they both said to get a holley sensor that way it would be completely put to rest. so, 250 dollars later, it will be here Tuesday and this wonderful merry-go-round will continue

 

[Dono]

Your in it, and your sanity is worth more than $250.00
Sound like you have climbed the ladder of tech support pretty good.

 

[vroomzoomboom]

Your in it, and your sanity is worth more than $250.00
Sound like you have climbed the ladder of tech support pretty good.

its not what its worth, its what it can afford.

and right? i just happen to be lucky at the moment where the tuner, and the other guy had time to be on the phone, and i was hooked into evil. at least the 2 of them were able to talk Greek for me because there would have been no way i would have been able to be a go between. now i wait for the sensor to come. it also brought a new problem. the mount that i got wont work. lucky once again, i know a guy here that did a v8 swap in his ranger, and also put a terminator in it. he made a mount for his sensor, but is no where near ready to start up his truck (changing stuff i guess) so he gave me the one he was going to use, and will make a new one for himself.

 

[donalds]

Can you try different tone rings for your harmonic balancer