"TURDLE" or " How to mess up a perfectly good truck"

[Turdle]

Update to first post--

 

[rookieshooter]

This is one really nice build. One of those tranny coolers looks awful familiar LOL.

 

[Turdle]

This is one really nice build. One of those tranny coolers looks awful familiar LOL.

Thanks again!!

One of the things I like most about my truck is the variety of members' parts that make it up. I can look it over and see several of you guys in it. Call me sentimental--

 

[crazyflights]

Lookin great! Love how it runs, have you thought anymore about SASing it like we had talked about?

 

[Turdle]

Well, the Turdle is fighting me again, this time by cooking my lovely bride's feet.

actually, it is my fault, and yes, once again a mole hill has become a mountain to climb.

Years and years ago the little heat shield over the hvac housing near the engine was frayed. Rather than replacing the cover, I decided it just looked better without it. Bad bad mistake---

The passenger side header has melted a nice hole in the housing. This is allowing hot engine capartment air to flow into the ****pit. The faster we go, the faster it cooks. Going to Colorado is out of the question until this issues is resolved----


Man, it is tight in there, and to replace the cover proves a challenge.

It would seem the header needs removed to gain access to the hvac cover. No real big deal, except I cannot get a wrench on the egr tube nut with the tall valve cover in place. I have shaved material from my wrench but it still will not allow motion once fitted to the nut--

Soooo, it would seem the chain reaction ends with me removing the upper intake to gain access to the valve cover bolts, remove the valve cover and then finally the header.

then--to make it worse, it would seem the only way the truck will get enough airflow at slow speeds to cool properly with the ac running, I will need a nice electric puller. I have a Mark 8 fan, and Techieman33's single core radiator at my disposal. The radiator might still need moved forward a but though.

Any ideas out there for me?

 

[Albino 94LTD]

Well, the Turdle is fighting me again, this time by cooking my lovely bride's feet.

actually, it is my fault, and yes, once again a mole hill has become a mountain to climb.

Years and years ago the little heat shield over the hvac housing near the engine was frayed. Rather than replacing the cover, I decided it just looked better without it. Bad bad mistake---

The passenger side header has melted a nice hole in the housing. This is allowing hot engine capartment air to flow into the ****pit. The faster we go, the faster it cooks. Going to Colorado is out of the question until this issues is resolved----

Any ideas out there for me?

Let her DRIVE

 

[inh]

I know its $$$ but that fan Aldive installed seems to be pretty nice and doesn't look too thick. Maybe that would fit? I dunno if I would want a smaller radiator on the 5.0, expeically lifted, driving for long periods, in the heat...

Could always try to fit a pusher fan..

And you're pretty much screwed on the HVAC box man =[ Unless you can patch the hole with some of that shiny aluminum duct tape. That, and then some kind of heatshielding on top, maybe rig up a piece of sheet metal to block most of the heat? That could be a decent temp fix untill you have a better reason to take the top half of your motor apart..

 

[Turdle]

What is the consensus on the later model radiator? Is it actually smaller with less capacity, or, could it be more efficient?

 

[Turdle]

Let her DRIVE

ah--I like this fix.


Man, I just went out there and the hot sun has me back inside. I think the thing to do is 1, plant a tree on the south side of my driveway,and 2, pop open a beer. Repeat step 2 until shade appears.

 

[Joey P]

1, plant a tree on the south side of my driveway,and 2, pop open a beer. Repeat step 2 until shade appears.

Hilarious!! That just made me laugh big time!

 

[Turdle]

Once in a while I will second guess others advice or suggestions. Case in point is Don--CDW6121R
He is correct. I should not have wasted time measuring.

The Mark 8 fan aint happening. There is no way to get it in there-at least not on this truck. To do so would meant jeopardizing the structural integrity of the header panel, and, maybe eve require the engine be shifted back an inch or 3.

I need almost 4" more of clearance. From the water pump rotating neck to the radiator, I have about 3.20".

the fan is about 5.80" thick, then we need some clearance between the pump shaft and fan-



Looking at my 98 radiator, and Eric's 2000 radiator, I am seeing no measurable difference.

So, now what? Tell me please, are the metal fans more efficient than the plastic one i currently have?

would a couple small pushers ( keeping the stock fan also) help,???I think I can manage that-

 

[Maniak]

Check into the HHR fan.

It pulls quite a bit of air and is a bunch thinner.. Looks like almost 2" thinner..

This thread at 460ford.com has some good drawings of the Mark vIII and the HHR fan.

http://www.460ford.com/forum/showthread.php?t=135721&highlight=hhr


~Mark

 

[inh]

I think some electric pushers that you can wire to be on ALL the time, with a switch of course, would help a lot when wheeling or low speeds in the heat..

 

[Turdle]

HHR fan dimensions

http://info.rockauto.com/getimage/g...geurl=http://info.rockauto.com/TYC/621450.jpg

 

[crazyflights]

Pusher fans you can turn on and off sounds like good idea to me.

 

[Maniak]

Puller fans are better as pusher fans can block the air going to the radiator.

If you are diving faster than the pusher fan is pushing the air through the radiator then the fan is actually blocking air. The same is true if the fan is off.

On a puller fan, many of the shrouds have holes with flaps that allow the air to blow through the radiator and out past the fan/shroud so it won't get in the of the air flow.

~Mark

 

[Turdle]

Hmmm
Chrysler LHS fan mounted vertically?
Supposedly this pulls 5000 CFM

Just throwing search results out there for confusion--er, consideration

 

[CDW6212R]

The fan Cobraguy installed is working well for him in the high heat of Arizona I believe. It was the version almost like Al's , a 188 I think, the version without controller is around $260. He has a great write up here for it, and a slight modification that gained a hair of space, an e-clip change.

I found a source for the full size radiator, it's still made. For the AC, can you find a reason to get inside the box like the blend door hack job? I'd place the aluminum tape over the hole on the inside, then fill the depression with an insulation material, covered again with tape. Use an aluminum shield, that cools better than anything else.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/FLX-188/

 

[gmanpaint]

I agree with Don^^^

Aluminum tape, and a aluminum heat shield riveted over said hole, and its done.

 

[racinjason68]

I used fiberglass to patch the hole on my air ride X.

As for fans this is what I run on my 5.4L pickup.. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/FLX-270/ 5500cfm

Not cheap but cold ac all the time and no worries about air flow. And I has variable speed control. Only thing I did different was use a stereo system type fuse instead of there blade style. Faster winter warm ups, and cooler summer days, of course that is when using my remote start....

How much space do you have between your water pump shaft and radiator? I would keep the bigger radiator if possible. On my V6 X I had one 16" puller and then had a back up 12" pusher for the A/C.