HHO: Is it alchemy? Or will it improve gas mileage on a ’99 4.0 SOHC Explorer?

[bigman4921]

al you live in fl it is kind of hot down that could be the reason for the lost of ur electrolyte

 

[aldive]

al you live in fl it is kind of hot down that could be the reason for the lost of ur electrolyte

Thats not the reason.

 

[aldive]

I added check valves to my HHO syster today.

 

[curt1007]

Al have you set the bubble to a low with no elect. if not that may be some of the problem, but I am sure you would have already done that right? Just a thought, I have only put 8.5 miles on mine in city drive so far and not lost any electrolyte. Also as you asked me in the "Post Pictures of your HHO" I have not gotten any CEL, and no I have not measured A/F ratio yet.Also mine is a little different than yours like BrooklynBay said. I just put 1/2 teaspoon of baking soda in mine with a quart of distilled water.I still have to put the hose to the air intake tube, right now I am just using the one line to the vac line.
Good Luck with yours Al.

 

[gijoecam]

I added check valves to my HHO syster today.

I'm a little confused as to what purpose they serve?

 

[aldive]

I'm a little confused as to what purpose they serve?

Prevention of a flashback into the generator even though it is extremely unlikely.

 

[aldive]

Al have you set the bubble to a low with no elect. if not that may be some of the problem, but I am sure you would have already done that right? Just a thought, I have only put 8.5 miles on mine in city drive so far and not lost any electrolyte. Also as you asked me in the "Post Pictures of your HHO" I have not gotten any CEL, and no I have not measured A/F ratio yet.Also mine is a little different than yours like BrooklynBay said. I just put 1/2 teaspoon of baking soda in mine with a quart of distilled water.I still have to put the hose to the air intake tube, right now I am just using the one line to the vac line.
Good Luck with yours Al.

Good call.

When I installed the generator, I did check the bubbler w/o power to the system.

I will go and check it again now.

 

[aldive]

Good call.

When I installed the generator, I did check the bubbler w/o power to the system.

I will go and check it again now.

With power to the unit off, the bubbler was emitting a bubble about every second.

I turned it down. We shall see how that works.

Further, I reduced the electrolyte to 1/2 tsp per quart.

 

[BrooklynBay]

One way to control it would be to use an RPM controlled switch which is used for nitrous. I think MSD makes this.

 

[gijoecam]

One way to control it would be to use an RPM controlled switch which is used for nitrous. I think MSD makes this.

Isn't theirs just a simple on-off switch though? What they need here is a way of tying into the TPS voltage signal, then use that signal to ramp the current up and down through the generator. Essentially a variable relay... solid state would be the way to go there, but they're not cheap, especially for the amount of current they'll likely want at higher RPMs.

 

[CDW6212R]

I think this is all about fuel economy, so no change in amperage should be needed. I doubt that any device is going to make too much gas at idle to need to lower the amperage. Likely the best device will be lacking still for gas production, the heat and amperage seem to be the limiting factors. WOT or rpm over say 2000 should not need any adjustment of the A/F ratio. This is the impression I get so far, so we can concentrate on the low throttle conditions for best mileage. I hope that someone does manage to produce enough brown gas to affect higher throttle settings, but I doubt it based on the amperage being used so far. Regards,

 

[Turdle]

What-with all the time spent on this, plus the cost of equipment. Not to mention the electrolyte solution.

Seems like a second job would put you farther ahead.

Or, maybe that is what is happening here?

 

[aldive]

Job? I don't want any more jobs

I love a challenge and shall pursue at flank speed.

 

[aldive]

My son is taking a 1500 mile trip in his Titan in a few weeks.

We are installing an HHO suystem similar to mine on it prior to the voyage.

We are using the following:

HHO generator
oxygen sensor externders
MAF enhancer

Should make for a good fi8eld trial.

 

[BrooklynBay]

Maybe you could post some of the pictures of his system in your other thread. How is it different than the one you have?

 

[Josh]

I will be building my HHO generator soon. I am building the unit below. I will be using a MAF ehancer as well as a PWM or pulse width modulator. The modulator is suppossed to aid in gas production and lower the amount of current needed. Right now I just have the pieces but plan to have a unit together in the next few weeks. I was also looking at a unit that would replace the MAF enhancer. The link for that is below as well. Since my explorer is retired now, I will be using it for the testing and eventually put it in my 02 F250 PSD. The guy in the video below has his mounted in his F250 already.


http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=KC5385&CATID=&keywords=digital+fuel+adjuster&SPECIAL=&form=KEYWORD&ProdCodeOnly=&Keyword1=&Keyword2=&pageNumber=&priceMin=&priceMax=&SUBCATID=

Video of the unit

 

[aldive]

Looks like a very nice unit.

Josh, what do you plan to use for electrolyte?

 

[aldive]

Very nice unit.

Josh, what do you plan on using for electrolyte?

 

[Josh]

Well from what I read, you don't really need it with the PWM installed. I will see how it does without first. I have the acrylic plexiglass for the tank, PWM and MAF/MAP enhancer. I also ordered the digital handheld controller that goes with the digital fuel adjustor. The fuel adjuster is out of stock right now. It has a 128 map points to set. I plan to use that instead of the manual MAF/MAP enhancer eventualy.

 

[bigman4921]

hey josh,

did you make the acrylic plexiglass tank or bought one if so where??