Heads and Intake 5.0...

[Highroller]

I don't believe the Trick-Flow heads would be required for your application, though the weight savings wouldn't hurt on our trucks. The GT40's we have now flow well in stock form and a bit of port work will wake them up. The stockers can also use some aftermarket roller rockers and springs, but you do need to look into replacing the stock cam. I currently run the Trick-Flow stage 1 cam, Springs, Street Heat intake and some Comp Cam Rollers. All these parts combined are great, but the stock transmission shift points and converter really hold the combo back. No dyno time on mine yet because there is only one AWD dyno in town and truck is currently down for the winter for a laundry list of upgrades. Now I actually run a mildly built 5.0 in a AWD X, so I am speaking from expierence and not internet theory!

Charles

 

[Nate_V8]

well at least your the only who hasn't highjacked my thread. Thank you for the input. That is intake in going to use too. What TB do you use? and where you able to make the cruise work with it?

 

[Dan Whitaker]

well at least your the only who hasn't highjacked my thread. Thank you for the input. That is intake in going to use too. What TB do you use? and where you able to make the cruise work with it?

We didn't hijack your thread. We tried talking some sense into you but you don't want to listen.

And just as we have been telling you you need a cam to make more power which is just what Highroller has done. He is not running a stock cam. So what's the difference? YOU STILL NEED A CAM.

 

[Nate_V8]

Just because I don't maxamize the power, doesn't mean I need a cam. I tried talking sense into you guys. It's right in front of your eyes. The trick flows flow at 250cfm at .450 and 260 at .500 lift. most performance cams lift at .550-.600 lift, now tell me why I would need this for that head when my lift will be .462? all through the lift the trick flows flow signifacantly more then the GT40s. I will make more power and still have the down which I need for my truck. One day I might get a cam but for now, stock is fine.

 

[Dan Whitaker]

Just because I don't maxamize the power, doesn't mean I need a cam. I tried talking sense into you guys. It's right in front of your eyes. The trick flows flow at 250cfm at .450 and 260 at .500 lift. most performance cams lift at .550-.600 lift, now tell me why I would need this for that head when my lift will be .462? all through the lift the trick flows flow signifacantly more then the GT40s. I will make more power and still have the down which I need for my truck. One day I might get a cam but for now, stock is fine.

I'm done arguing with you. Apearantly you are the "all knowing guru" and we are just a bunch of dumb *****. I'm willing to bet I have socks older than you.

 

[Mirge]

I'm willing to bet I have socks older than you.

LOL dang... I've been lurking, but I almost spewed my drink all over my monitor when I read that. Cheered me right up. Thanks

 

[Nate_V8]

So you have socks older then me? What does that prove? You gonna tell me that if I don't have any back pressure I might burn out my valves next Mr. Old Socks?

I'm not all knowing but I hate it when board members think they right because that's the only thing they know and won't crawl out of the box and educate themselves.

And you did hijack my thread when you started giving me cam advice when I didn't ask for any. I asked if anyone is running trick flow heads and intake. I wouldn't have cared if it was correct advice though. Seriously it shows your ignorance when you don't look at the facts I pointed out when they completely 100% correct.

If you think my information is incorrect, please prove me wrong. If you can only retort by saying your done arguing and you have even posted any legit information, how does that prove anything? Please from what I posted, prove me I'm wrong since you have so much experience you can share.

My information is as clear as day and even posted in that chart that spdrcer34 posted

 

[techieman33]

As Dan said you do whatever you want, but don't come crying to us when you don't get the results you wanted. I'll leave you with one little piece of advice join this forum and read read read.

 

[Highroller]

I also have the SN95 elbow and phenolic spacer, but you sound like you have alot of experience wrenching on 5.0s.......My old '97 2wd X with Motorsport S.S. Headers, Spintech 2.5" xipe, 40 Series flowmasters dumped, sweet self-fabbed intake, and no tuner ran low 15's. It had 175,000+ miles (well maintained life) and if I had a some kind of tune I would have been knocking on mr. high 14's door. I think everyone, myself included is just saying that they aren't necessary for what you are doing! How old are you anyways, quit starting ****.

Charles

 

[Jakee]

Just throw a turbo on it and call it a day.

 

[Spdrcer34]

Appearantly I was the one who ruffled his feathers with my comment. I'd like to say I'm sorry for that. But I'm not.

1.7" lifters won't solve the cam selection issue. That cam sucks. The timing events such as duration are WAY more important than max lift. Sure you will lift it to .462, but how long will it be there?


Do your homework on what works in the Explorer, and what doesn't.

But what do I know....I'm just an internet engine builder, I don't do any REAL work on cars...


Ryan

 

[techieman33]

Appearantly I was the one who ruffled his feathers with my comment. I'd like to say I'm sorry for that. But I'm not.

1.7" lifters won't solve the cam selection issue. That cam sucks. The timing events such as duration are WAY more important than max lift. Sure you will lift it to .462, but how long will it be there?


Do your homework on what works in the Explorer, and what doesn't.

But what do I know....I'm just an internet engine builder, I don't do any REAL work on cars...


Ryan

Jeez don't you know that max lift is the only important spec of a cam, and that what a head flow on a mysterious bench is the important factor when deciding on which one to run

The guy obviously doesn't want our help so I for one am going to stop offering it.

 

[410Fortune]

I have a cam in my 96 daily driver, it works great, even with a lopey idle, I still get great MPG if I want to??? I dont get your thinking here?

You said you cant justify spending $$$ on a cam for a daily driver, but then list about $4000 in power adders that will already have you inside the engine with the heads off?? A cam is a LOGICAL choice here for what you want to do...

of course without those TM headers you wont be making any power anytime soon

FYI the stock GT-40 or P heads can be worked over fairly easily to match whatever cam you decide on, for alot less then a set of aftermarket twisted wedge heads IMO

 

[Spdrcer34]

I guess the answer is NO. Nobody is running TW heads, with a stock cam.

Who would?

Oh yeah, you already answered that. YOU would.

Ryan

 

[Turdle]

I need new socks too.

In all honesty, I think we can benefit from this experiment. If someone is willing to put the combo together. Let's see the results. There have been surprises before.

Although, heads are normally matched to the characteristics of the camshaft. Even if a head flows a high cfm, it really has nothing to do with valve lift in the end. The cam duration and LSA can screw up the best flowing head, or, make it scream. The intake opening and closing "time" have way more effect on flow than the heads do. The heads merely help "tune" the intake pulses to the proper size, depending on the rpm band the engine is running in for peak power. normally, a small intake port yields a much wider torque band. A large port and bowl only enable the engine to breath way up high. Lower end is sacrificed severely.



My 02
lets see this

 

[Highroller]

Running 75MM BBK and currently cruise control isn't working. Craigslist has been littered with aluminum heads lately, guess people need money and not paper weights!

Charles