The Black Hole

[dkchrist]

Brace the front suspension box to replace the support of the tbars.

 

[gmanpaint]

Brace the front suspension box to replace the support of the tbars.

Hmm, details?

 

[Turdle]

Brace the front suspension box to replace the support of the tbars.

The torsion bars actually slide freely under no pre load---I do not think they add any support.

However some trac bar bracing might be good for added stability. It would require a cross member of some type though wouldn't it? A cross member for the rear of the lower control arms would actually provide the triangulation support also come to think of it-

 

[gmanpaint]

Like these?

I think these will just get in the way like the t-bars do.

 

[corkey]

hmm, i don't have them on mine,,

 

[Turdle]

Actually, that design with pivots on both ends attached to what is supposed to be a fixed assembly provides no structure support. If the box moves back the support bars will merely swing down.

That is how I see it anyway---

 

[inh]

I think they'd help, but maybe not as much as you would think. Perhaps if one side was welded it'd help out a bit. Could probably make a mount on the front cross memeber with supports welded to it, and then bolt the other side of the supports to the chassis where they bolt on.

Only thing I don't like is they mount where the torsion bars used to be. Clearance issues all over again... Why not make a custom cross member and bolt it on, somewhere higher up...

 

[corkey]

or put them at a steeper angle, and locate them higher,

 

[inh]

or put them at a steeper angle, and locate them higher,

Exactly what I was trying to say

 

[corkey]

it sure looks better like this, no bars at all ,

 

[gmanpaint]

Here is the answer to the support problem.

 

[John_Rock]

Here is the answer to the support problem.

But that's not on a drop lift.

 

[gmanpaint]

I don't have a drop lift. It will work for my stock LCA set up.

 

[corkey]

in the pic it is bolted to stock location, a arms are only difference i can see,

 

[gmanpaint]

Those arms are on the long travel kit.

 

[inh]

You can use it on a stock setup, I was planning to. It's also not expensive at all. The only thing is it wont help keep everything from pushing backwards, which the arms greg posted above (painted blue) would.. Now, that dixon bros cross member, with some arms welded to it that also secure to the chassis.. THAT would be the ticket =]

 

[corkey]

you can secure it from the back with a bar like that to stop it pushing backwards,

so,,

what about doing it at the front ??
it would go up from the front at a steeper angle, and keep it from going backwards as well,

kind of like this,

 

[corkey]

just thinking and tossing you an idea here Gregg, your skid is bolted on the front kind of like this front idea i am showing, wouldn't that help?

if i remember correctly , it is bolted to the bottom of the crossmember and than up to the front frame, kind of keeping it all from moving backwards,

 

[gmanpaint]

Corkey, the skid is bolted to the crossmenber and the frame rails via another crossmember mounted higher up. This wont have any effect on my lower suspension, they are not attached together in anyway, so the skid won't help any with shifting. Yours it might, you have the drop plow from your lift kit.

I am starting to understand the reason for the kickers. I just remembered Turdles little experience coming home from Ouray. He took a trail that all but wrecked the front end. His shock got bent, and he broke 2 cv axles. I am wanting to think if he had the kickers, he wouldn't have had as much trouble.

If the T-bars do in fact offer rear lateral support, removing them is going to put stress on my LCA. My bushings are going to be taking all the force when I am wheeling. Say I am going up a set of ledges, and have to get heavy on the skinny pedal. I am forcing the rig UP and the force is is shoving the tires back, the stress is on my bushings only.

Looks like a set of kickers is in order here, but I don't want a big set that will just get in the way like the T-bars did. I'm thinking of a 1" pipe or 1" tube to minimize the area. The swivel mount is necessary if mounted to the crossmember/chassis also.

 

[Turdle]

Corkey, the skid is bolted to the crossmenber and the frame rails via another crossmember mounted higher up. This wont have any effect on my lower suspension, they are not attached together in anyway, so the skid won't help any with shifting. Yours it might, you have the drop plow from your lift kit.

I am starting to understand the reason for the kickers. I just remembered Turdles little experience coming home from Ouray. He took a trail that all but wrecked the front end. His shock got bent, and he broke 2 cv axles. I am wanting to think if he had the kickers, he wouldn't have had as much trouble.

If I had more common sense I wouldn't have gotten into trouble. 2 reliable sources said "do not go there" , but we took the advice of 3 drunk guys in a Jeep instead.

Ha ha Good times in Colorado. Here's to feeling young again!!! I sooooo much need to go back there-----


I think where we got hung up the kickers would have made it worse to be honest. To me the cross-member alone adds the needed triangulation support for the rear of the lower control arms.