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Whats In A Name?

It was hot humid august night. The winds have all but vanished. I was doing my best to keep the sweat out of my eyes. The A/C was dying in my 94 Explorer, lovingly named "Pugly", and there was no relief in sight. I decided it was time to stop throwing good money into bad. I was gonna do the unthinkable,.......I was going to commit the most heinous crime of them all! I was going to trade Pugly in for a newer model! Oh the heart break! The insanity of it all! I couldn't believe the thoughts were even going through my head.

I managed to get the old girl back home, to her resting place. She seemed at ease in her familiar surroundings. I had to come up with an explanation to let her know of my evil plan. So i just gave her that old wink and grin that she likes to see from me as we made it back home from another day of adventure in the treacherous Midwestern terrain. I did my best in hiding my cynical thoughts, as I walked around to her rear flank and gave her that little pat on her bumper, as I always have when we part for the night.

The next morning I gave her a real good bath, cleaned behind her mirrors, and brushed her grill. She still looked pretty good for her age. Oh sure she had the tell tale signs, gravity has got its firm grip on her, and I am not the best cosmetics guy in the world. she didn't seem to mind too much, she still kept her nose up and drove with pride.

After looking at many vehicles I just could not find anything that had the same feel as my old girl. Then it happened! Was I seeing a mirage? Was I so desperate to find another rig that I was blinded by insanity? I found my replacement! I quickly made a sale with the owner, and brought it home.

When I pulled in the driveway, my heart sunk as I looked into the yard to see my 94 looking at me in disbelief. She was sunning herself in the grass looking all shiny and then, she just looked away from me. My heart was tearing in two. I parked the new rig, and walked up to her and gave her a soft spoken "Hello". No reply. I tried to tickle her mirrors, no response. The tension was so great, you could have cut it with a 32 count fine tooth hacksaw. I had to explain to her that she gave me great satisfaction for many years, and we made a terrific team together, but the time has come for her to just relax and enjoy her final days. She finally revved up, and understood, her days as my work horse has ended (so we thought).

I introduced her to her daily driver replacement. The shiny new(er) next generation of her kind. The 95 Explorer XLT. She warmed right up to it. Before you know it they were swapping stories. Now I had to ask her for help. I needed a name for the new ride,
so I went to find her, and what did I see? Those two were grill to grill in the driveway. rubbing chrome! I had to get the water hose out and break them up! Sheesh, she was acting like a girl at the prom dance! I let the name thing drop for awhile.

The new(er) Ex needed to get its shots, and a physical. When I got the word on it's health, I about had a coronary. "What do you mean Doc"! I yelled. "Your kidding right"? I asked. The Doc just shook his head and gathered his tools. As he walked away, He said it had a 50/50 chance of survival. My stomach knotted up, my teeth ground, my heart raced, and I could feel the energy build up as I let it all out, "Why! Why! Why did this have to happen"! I screamed.

The prognostic exam from the doc was as such. It had a blown steering rack, the shocks were gone, the brakes were non existent, front sway bar was cracked in half, the 3rd brake light was out, none of the windows or the moon roof would work, the door locks were broke, the rear end LS clutch pack was burned up, the tires were all in need of replacement, the spare was a Firestone recall and flat, the engine had a nasty tick to it, the TPS was shot, the MAF was corroded, the battery had a dead cell in it, the hood shocks were not working, the rear hatch lock was jammed up and you couldn't open it with out a key in the lock, The carpet was stained to no repair, the rear window wiper didn't want to work, and we could not tell what year its engine swap came from. it was a mess, to say the least.

I went in the house to get my gun. I was gonna just put it out of its misery right there and then. I suddenly realized I was out of ammo, from shooting at the jeep that was in my field. I went to the computer to find a place to buy some cheap ammo, and I stumbled across this website, explorerforum.com that said it could heal any ford Explorer no matter what the problems were! I jumped for joy, I could not believe the things I was reading! I wore out the search button, asked a bunch of questions. I quickly broke out my pen and paper, feverishly writing down things as I was learning! I had found a cure for everything that was wrong with my new transport. It was a Godsend, an angel from the SUV heavens!

I sprung into action. I worked day and night, Pugly was right by my side the entire time, helping me in any way she could. I never seen this side of her, and was really amazed at how well she handled the pressure. She gently squeegeed the sweat out off my fore head with her soft wiper blades as I worked away. After an entire weekend of work, I collapsed. I needed some rest, and so did the 95. The sun crested over the hills, and awoke me to a new day. I shuffled my feet to the window facing the driveway, peeled the drapes gently back, and peered out at the 95. WOW!
It had a its color back, and was looking great! Now as the time went on, (and most of my paychecks), and the selling of almost everything I own, for funds to get the 95 to its former glory.

After some time to reflect on this name thing, I strolled up and whispered into Pugly's passenger side mirror, and she giggled with delight.

I climbed up onto the front bumper in my pajamas and robe half opened, with a cup of coffee in one hand and the daily newspaper in the other, I raised my arms with out stretched hands and proclaimed the new name of the 95.

BEHOLD...........THE BLACK HOLE!!!!!!!! (Then the neighbor yelled at me to close my robe)



The End................(or is it just the beginning?)


Actually, only some of this really happened. :D




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I am awaiting a response from Dixon Bros on the crossmember. If they seem to think it is good enough, I am going to get it. I will try it out for a while, and see what happens. If I think a set of kickers are needed, I will start working on that when the time comes. I am flooded with projects right now, and I don't think I can handle much more at the present time. My head is spinning as it is with all the things being done here in the next 2 weeks.
 



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If the T-bars do in fact offer rear latteral support, ...

I don't think they will offer much if any lateral support. Remember, they are attached to the lower A-arm with a slip joint.

Some sort of kicker would be ideal - similar to what RCD built.

You could weld a support to the Dixon cross member, run it to your transmission cross member. It will hang down a little, but I think the support given would be a much greater advantage than the ground clearance taken away.
 






You could weld a support to the Dixon cross member, run it to your transmission cross member. It will hang down a little, but I think the support given would be a much greater advantage than the ground clearance taken away.

i don't think that would work if he flexed... that's why the RCD one is on swivels on both ends. I'm not really sure what would work, but you can't have something solid or it will stress it when the frame twists, and probably snap eventually.
 






I am not really sure what to think of all this guys. One person says the T-bars offer support, another says no. I do think that Dixon has developed the crossmember for the long travel kit they offer because of the force is multiplied on the bushings, and should help mine considerably. I still have not heard back from them. I emailed and placed a call and had to leave a message.

I really don't want to have to weld anything in place. I need to be able to have bolt on mods here. The back force pushed on the kickers is kind of confusing though. If they swivel, how does it really prevent the front bushing from getting forced outward, and the back bushing forced inward? Follow me here?

I really appreciate all the feedback from you guys, it helps me more than you know.
 






I'm of the opinion the torsion bars do not offer support. One, they are just slipped in there. Sure it's a semi tight fit, but they're still just slipped in. Two, it doesn't make sense that Ford would use a long metal rod, already under rotational tension, to provide lateral support. Seems like a bad idear if you ask me..

Superlift doesn't provide kickers for their lifts, and I've never heard of anyone bending their front crossmember backwards because they didn't have em...

Also, with the RCD style ones, the pivots are there, I believe, so that when the frame twists, as frames are wont to do, the kickers can pivot a little bit, so they don't twist and break welds. They still provide support on the cross member while pushing backwards though, because the pivots wont move if you hit something head on. In order for that to happen, one of the mounts would have to twist off the frame or cross member, giving the pivoted joint somewhere to move to. Otherwise you just transfer the forces straight past the joint, through the mount, and in to the frame. It's kind of like you arm. Press your fist in to the wall straight on and your wrist wont rotate unless you move your forearm or 'break the mount' of your knuckles against the wall.

Hope that makes sense =]
 






Gregg, I think they will be good for most stuff, but eventually you will want/need trailing arms.
 






go ahead, experiment with the rear crossmember and keep us informed,
the dixon brothers long travel kit is meant for high speed running, and maybe that is important for keeping things in place when landing off jumps
 






Yeah, I really think the Kickers are for the drop bracket crossmember only. My stock crossmember is part of my frame, and I really don't think it is going anywhere.

The Dixon crossmember will take care of the triangulation needed for the LCA bushings just fine I believe.

I am not going to worry about the kickers any more.
 












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Superlift doesn't provide kickers for their lifts, ...

In my opinion, Superlift does not build the best kits. While their kits might survive for a few years, I do not think they are built strong enough to last many years and miles (and hard use.)

Not that I'm a huge Rancho fan, but my [modified] Rancho kit has over 200K miles on it, and is still solid. I don't think a Superlift kit would last that many miles.

Not to start a flame war here, just sayin...
 












Are we there yet? :p:
 












I'm of the opinion the torsion bars do not offer support. One, they are just slipped in there. Sure it's a semi tight fit, but they're still just slipped in. Two, it doesn't make sense that Ford would use a long metal rod, already under rotational tension, to provide lateral support. Seems like a bad idear if you ask me..

The bars provide support for the arms to prevent the arms from twisting to the back of the vehicle. After rethinking the support of the arms, the Dixon brace should be more than sufficient for a vehicle without lift brackets.

Also with out going into a lecture, bars in compression work well. The basis for a four link is bars in compression and tension. ;)
 












Also with out going into a lecture, bars in compression work well. The basis for a four link is bars in compression and tension. ;)

isn't a four link suspension set up done on a solid axle. I could see the need for it there because the axle is held to the truck by springs, shocks and a drive shaft. But in this case, the cross member is part of the frame.

I'm not trying to contradict, just to understand as this very well may be the way i end up going.

Justin
 






isn't a four link suspension set up done on a solid axle. I could see the need for it there because the axle is held to the truck by springs, shocks and a drive shaft. But in this case, the cross member is part of the frame.

I'm not trying to contradict, just to understand as this very well may be the way i end up going.

Justin
Even though it is hooked to the frame it can only resist so much before something gives. The most likely point will be the LCA rear mount. With out the tbars it needs support. Hence why RCD boxes the lower section and adds kicker braces and Dixon ties the rear mounts to one another.

With the drop bracket kicker braces, are necessary. With out, tying the rear mounts together should be good.

The four link example is just to prove the ability or a round bar to support compression.
 






Also with out going into a lecture, bars in compression work well. The basis for a four link is bars in compression and tension. ;)

But the torsion bars are not only under lateral tension and compression, but rotational tension as well. Just seems a bit much to ask of the tbars all at once.
 






Stop talking about the torsion bars as a support device or for any purpose but twisting force on the LCA front surface. The torsion bar touches nothing except the two ends that are holding it. The rear of the LCA has a huge hole in it for the torsion bar to go through, they never touch.

I agree about the support issue of the lifted trucks with the lift brackets. As those get farther down away from the frame, there can be more movement or deflection. I'd lay under there and consider what the suspension tries to do when the truck gets twisted in use. If it seems like the LCA may push/pull the mounting points, figure out which way it wants to move, and how to make a brace to stop that.
 



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Here is the answer to the support problem.

ranger4wdcrossmember.jpg

That looks like something that could be easily made. :cool:
 






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