Titanvs F150

[aldive]

look at some other brands as welll...mabey just not the Ford...but keep it American

My blood runs red white and blue, and always has.

However, we must face the facts on some things. If you were to only "buy American", what would you have? Lets see - my big screen TV, my stereo/home theater equipment,my boats radar and on and on, would have to go. NOT.

The Titan is made in America, assembled by Americans. Do you know where all the components of domestic vehicles are made?

If Ford made a truck ( F 150 ) that had the features, comfort, tow capacity, power, and QUALITY, then it might be considered.

 

[blichy]

I am an American. There are more than enough American vehicles to choose from. There are hundreds of total new American vehicles. Looking at used different years and models, there are thousands of American choices. There is no excuse for ignoring all of those American vehicles, and buying an Asian vehicle.

All of the profit from any vehicle ends up in the country of the manufacturer. I don't mind people buying European vehicles, or other North American vehicles, but the countries in Asia are the worst abusers of human rights, and fair trade practices. Those large corporations, and countries who have a financial connection to them, are buying America, with the money that "we" give to them. They are investing their profits by buying American real estate, American companies, etc.

The bottom line is that, as consumers we have power, tons of power. But buying foreign products is simply a voluntary way that you/we are giving our country away. When there is an American product to choose from, do not buy the foreign product. If you want to complain, complain to the American companies and make them make what you want. Don't give your money to Asia.
Proud to be an American,
CDW

Very true about the profits ending up in the country of the parent, however there is still a lot of money left in the country that builds and/or supplies parts for the vehicles. If everyone felt your way, I would be out of a job, but fortunately for me, that is not the case (of course there isn't any real competition from a US manufacturer...).

Regarding the initial question on F150 vs Titan, personally I thought the interior of the preproduction F150 I drove was very nice. I was also surprised at how quiet it was inside despite the huge mirrors (about the same level of noise as the Aviator has).

 

[Stephen]

I am an American. There are more than enough American vehicles to choose from. There are hundreds of total new American vehicles. Looking at used different years and models, there are thousands of American choices. There is no excuse for ignoring all of those American vehicles, and buying an Asian vehicle.

All of the profit from any vehicle ends up in the country of the manufacturer. I don't mind people buying European vehicles, or other North American vehicles, but the countries in Asia are the worst abusers of human rights, and fair trade practices. Those large corporations, and countries who have a financial connection to them, are buying America, with the money that "we" give to them. They are investing their profits by buying American real estate, American companies, etc.

The bottom line is that, as consumers we have power, tons of power. But buying foreign products is simply a voluntary way that you/we are giving our country away. When there is an American product to choose from, do not buy the foreign product. If you want to complain, complain to the American companies and make them make what you want. Don't give your money to Asia.
Proud to be an American,
CDW

Oh come on. This is a free country, we all have the power to do what we want. I stopped buying American cars because I like asian cars better, thats my right. I'm not going to buy what I feel is an inferior vehicle that I don't want simply because it comes from an American manufacturer.

That kind of thinking is just whats going to keep American manufacturers from stepping up to the plate and building the kinds of cars they CAN build, if Americans will buy them simply because they're American, why build them to compete?

I defy you to go throigh your belongings and not find an item that was built by another country's manufacturer. The world is becoming increasingly globalized and manufacturing is not America's future anyways, thinking like that is outdated.

Just because you "buy american" doesn't give you the right to illude that those who don't buy American aren't proud to be Americans. I'm proud to be an American and work hard, support my country and pay my taxes, but I work too hard to buy crap.

 

[FROADER]

Oh come on. This is a free country, we all have the power to do what we want. I stopped buying American cars because I like asian cars better, thats my right. I'm not going to buy what I feel is an inferior vehicle that I don't want simply because it comes from an American manufacturer.

That kind of thinking is just whats going to keep American manufacturers from stepping up to the plate and building the kinds of cars they CAN build, if Americans will buy them simply because they're American, why build them to compete?

I defy you to go throigh your belongings and not find an item that was built by another country's manufacturer. The world is becoming increasingly globalized and manufacturing is not America's future anyways, thinking like that is outdated.

Just because you "buy american" doesn't give you the right to illude that those who don't buy American aren't proud to be Americans. I'm proud to be an American and work hard, support my country and pay my taxes, but I work too hard to buy crap.

Well put.

 

[nnorton44]

Technically there is no true American vehicle anymore alot of parts are made elsewhere.

 

[99stocksport]

My blood runs red white and blue, and always has.

However, we must face the facts on some things. If you were to only "buy American", what would you have? Lets see - my big screen TV, my stereo/home theater equipment,my boats radar and on and on, would have to go. NOT.

The Titan is made in America, assembled by Americans. Do you know where all the components of domestic vehicles are made?

If Ford made a truck ( F 150 ) that had the features, comfort, tow capacity, power, and QUALITY, then it might be considered.

this is true....and one should buy the best product because if you dont your going to dissapointed..so i would say get the one that feels the best, and in this case that is the Titan

 

[CDW6212R]

BS. Certain products aren't available here anymore(Aldive), because of our buying cheaper Asian stuff, and thus the American businesses went under or sold out. Examples like Columbia and Zenith. In all cases like that, all subsequent profits go to Asia, and they spend the money in their country, or turn around and buy something from here.

There are hundreds of American vehicle choices. Choices which keep the profit in America, where it is circulated into America, not into removing part of our country.

The Japanese car companies have flourished because of Americans buying their cars. Their vast assets are in their country, and in their control. That's power that buyers of cars from Honda, Toyota, and Nissan, etc. have given them.

I don't know if the Nissan is better than an F150. It does not matter, because I would never buy the Asian truck, because I do know that I could find an American truck to satisfy me.
Don

 

[aldive]

I just replaced the rear windshield wiper motor on my '99 Ford Explorer ( http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1222801#post1222801 ) - a DOMESTIC vehicle.

Funny thing is that clearly marked on the new ( Ford part ) wiper motor is "made in Mexico". This was also marked on the original part that I replaced.

Sorry for the poor quality photo.

So much for FORD being an all American truck.

 

[Creager]

shoot, the inside of my doors say in big letters on the plastic.

NOV-11-1991

MADE IN CANADA

american made?

 

[james t]

Out of the two choices i would pick the Titan. Im still not crazy about the styling, but i like the overall package much more than the F150. The power is outstanding for its class (engine under-rated) and the towing capacity is awesome. I personally like everything on the Titan better.

 

[Stephen]

CDW- No offense, but thats just redneck bullshit and it has no place in the year 2005. Americans aren't stupid, we live in an era of a (more or less) free economy and the better product always wins out. Companies like Zenith simply can't compete with products from Asia like Sony, Panasonic etc. One reason they can't compete is because we can't AFFORD to make these products as well as they can overseas, Ford and GM are going to go UNDER because of the unbelievable weight they have to carry in pensions and retirement benefits because of the "deals" these unions have swung for their contituents. Well, they're going to find out that you can't get money from a stone. No company means no benefits. Everyones quick to lynch United airlines because they cut pension benefits but they did that because they HAD to. If they didn't, then there'd be no company after all these people retire and then what would they have? Nothing.

Mark my words within 5-10 years GM and Ford will each be owned by a Japanese company. The companies as they are now are simply not profitable because their obligations so far outweigh their income and resources. You know what caused that? American greed. Greedy people at the corporate level refusing to put the money out to build and design products of equivelent value and greedy people at the labor level forcing the companies to make concessions that they could not afford to make. Japanese companies haven't amassed the wealth they have from Americans buying their cars, American companies like GM and Ford sell more cars, they've done it by making their companies more profitable. No insane purchasing sprees of other unprofitable companies, no insane benefits the company's accountants didn't fully investigate before implementing. Smarter business always wins.

You also fail to realize that Nissan was 35 billion in the red a few years ago, they (smartly) realized they needed help, and an influx of cash from Renault has helped them energize this new renaissance and they're back. American companies like GM and Ford are too stupid, too proud, and too arrogant to do the same thing. One by one they blink from the earth.

Look at Chrysler, sold a portion of control to Benz and it saved them. Ford and GM must do the same thing or they won't survive.

Tell me this, I want a nice luxury car with V8 power, RWD, lots of room for me to take my customers around in. What do I buy? Some crappy Lincoln or a Cadillac? I've tried both. Not to mention niether Lincoln or Cadillac make anything that compares.

The era of manufacturing in America is over. Even our own companies don't build anything in America anymore because they can't afford to. Like I've said before, your lord and savior George Bush even has recognized that. We need to realize this and move on to other sectors more befitting our talents as a country.

 

[Nate1]

Buy whatever vehicle you want... that is how capitalism is going to survive. If you but all american vehicles because they are american, eventually you are going to be buying **** on four wheels because everyone supports them blindly.

Not even mentioning the fact that most foreign mfgrs design and assemble their cars here... if we indeed by the best car no matter what country it is from, we will drive American companies to produce better vehicles.


I say buy the Titan. It will probably last longer too.

 

[Brian_B]

Does anyone know what vehicle is designed and built where anymore or who owns the company? Ford owns part of Mazda, Chevy owns part of toyota (or did), Chrysler is owned (in part) by Daimler. My dads honda was built in KY (I think thats where). My old ranger was built in Canada (german engine, Japanese trans). My moms old grand marquis, was built in Canada. I have no clue where her caravan is built (chrysler has plants in mexico). I finally have a vehicle assembled in the US (my explorer), but I bet a lot of the parts are foreign made. Its so mixed up now, I seriously doubt there is a completely american vehicle on the road.

 

[Nate1]

The mercedes ML is built in Alabama....

 

[Stephen]

Chevy owns part of toyota (or did.

Well Chevy can't own anything because it isn't a company, Chevy is a marketing division of GM. GM has never owned any portion of Toyota, GM and Toyota have had some on and off partnerships on specific vehicles over the years and some sharing of components but niether company has ever had an ownership interest in the other.

 

[Brian_B]

I stand corrected. I say chevy when refering to all GM products. I though GM owned part of toyota. Either way, they are all mixed up now was the point of my post.

Saturn claimed that were completely american made they first started, but even they had a few O-rings that were foreign. Does anyone actually design, make the parts, and assemble any vehicle completely within our borders? It would be interesting to know.

 

[FROADER]

I love how almost every thread on this site goes off on a huge tangent from the original topic.

So aldive, did your son buy a truck yet?

 

[aldive]

I love how almost every thread on this site goes off on a huge tangent from the original topic.

So aldive, did your son buy a truck yet?

Ain't that the truth. I simply asked opinions on the Titan vs the F150 and some insidious diatribe results.

Yes, he has decided on-the Titan. He is working deals currently.

 

[FROADER]

Cool. Well steal it from him for a couple hours and let us know what you think of it.

 

[Stephen]

LOL, its always the way. Just goes to show we're all comfortable with each other.

Hope your son enjoys his Titan Al!