Completed Project Burns SAS thread

Well as a few of you know my X was messeed up a bit due to a accident. so i have been looking for a new plan.
i have my axles (d44/ford9") all i need is to choose what i am gonna do.
i was thinking about thiS:
In the front i plan to use whild horse 5.5 inch coils,

for radius arms i plan to use this.

they are 12 inches longer that the stock radius arms.i have the whole frame from a 78 f-150 that i plan to get the coil buckets and steering off of.
i want to use a 37 inch tire and use 4.88 gears
i dont see a problem with any of this so i need some info to see if i have missed anything

 

[james t]

Yes, they make a setup to go 35 spline (D60 shafts) in a D44. It is a HUGE waste IMHO. Plain old cromo shafts and CTM's are more than enough. cromo/CTM then makes the next weak link the ring and pinion and carrier. Its pointless to spend 5 metric ****tons of money when the weak link will still be the center section. Keep in mind to go 35 spline in your D44 you will have to get a new locker and have the gears re-setup. Just get a nice set of Superiors and CTM's and be done with it- your center will blow before they do. Keep your stock shafts, put a new set of Spicers in them and tack weld the caps on for spares. Once again just my opinion.

 

['97 V8]

....Or you could slap in a Dodge D60

 

[Burns]

as of now i have no locker in the front end or rear end. the front all i would have to do is change the spidergears to 35spline which will not require the gears to be changed. cmt joints are outragously expensive and i think that i it will be cheaper to get the dana 60 parts and switch it out. and y would the center blow before the joints go

 

[Burns]

and would the stock dana 60 u joints be as strong as the dana 44 cmt joints

 

[bmxking5]

ctm joints are outragously expensive and i think that i it will be cheaper to get the dana 60 parts and switch it out. and y would the center blow before the joints go

CTMs (or Yukon Superjoints) and some chromos would be really strong and that's why the gears are the next weak link. I've already looked into 35 spline front 44 and you'd have to change out to 8 lug outers because from what I've read, the knuckles, etc are too small for 35 spline shafts. The price would probably be cheaper for shafts and joints compared to 8 lug outers, shafts, etc.

 

[sn0border88]

by the time you spend all the money (5 metric ****tions?) either way will probably cost more than you want to spend. Take some time back and figure it out but honestly you have no need for d60 stuff. then you need to change your brakes, rims, knuckles, basically everything cept for the axle tube. Just throw in some cromo shafts and be done with it. The shaft you broke was an original right? Odds are thats one of the main reasons it broke you cant expect 25-30 yr old stuff to take this kind of abuse. If you jsut wheel cromos with stronger (but not CMT) joints you should be fine, worse case just carry a spare set from a junkyard and tack the caps on like james said. Some cromo places offer a lifetime warranty so if you pick em right you'll never have anything to worry about.

 

[Burns]

well you just made a good point the axle has not been used in prob 15v years and i did not replace the ujoints in the front. everything else is new. so where is a good place to get cromo shafts

 

[sn0border88]

like i said, look for a place that has a warranty, superior or alloy come to mind?

 

[james t]

as of now i have no locker in the front end or rear end. the front all i would have to do is change the spidergears to 35spline which will not require the gears to be changed. cmt joints are outragously expensive and i think that i it will be cheaper to get the dana 60 parts and switch it out. and y would the center blow before the joints go

I dont think you can just swap spiders on the 35 spline D44 stuff... you have to have a custom carrier... i could be wrong im just typing what i remember reading last year. Check it out, i do remember it was really involved and really expensive.


Also, if you want to go stout but are on a budget check out running Yukon shafts and longfield joints. Not quite as strong as Warn/Sup./CTM's, but almost as strong and less than half the price. I think the longs are just heat treated and cryo'ed spicers, and are supposed to be like 40% stronger than a stock spicer 760.

FYI- a bone stock spicer 760 would be alot stronger than the old worn 297's that were in your axle stock.

 

[Burns]

well from what i can tell if i can find a cheap d60 i can just salvage what i want and sell the rest. there are a few people around this area that sell stuff real cheap. so if i can find the shafts that are the same size in thickness as the d44 i can just swap out from the chunk out.

if they are the same size in diameter i can just use a d44 chunk parts and use all d60 outers. i think im gonna look around before tryin for d44 upgrades. if i do the d60 parts i can later upgrade those parts

 

[sn0border88]

overkill anyone? plus, the d60 shafts arnt the same spline you will need a new carrier.

 

[james t]

If you're going to buy a D60, then keep the D60. You can get 5 lug stuff to match your rear.

 

[Burns]

overkill is great to me

 

['97 V8]

theres no such thing as overkill.

 

[j602]

Why would D60 parts or axle as a whole be overkill? It would a preventitive addition to secure against the majority of future breakage. Tell me why in the fawk that would be overkill.

 

[sn0border88]

It would a preventitive addition to secure against the majority of future breakage.

WTF? Well, looks like the southern boy spent to much time in big words school.

Fine, overkill is the wrong word. An over amount of work and money for a problem that a quality set of new OEM parts would probably fix Hes not running any mad amount of power, huge tires, or low gearing. Many others run a d44 and 35/36's or more on stock stuff that is original. (Example: Skunk, and he wheels his junk hard) He prolly of just got bum luck with a bad casting on the axle like Rookie when he broke his cromo currie 35 spline 9" shaft with 35's. Dont twist your panties all up in a knot. Im just sayin what I would do to my truck, he can do whatever he feels like. I guess if he can afford a drive-in movie theater he can put it out for a d44/60 frankenthing.

But I will say you would be kinda retarted to go saying overkill is a great thing and scrap a d60 for a d44 center section.

At least someone has some common sense

FYI- a bone stock spicer 760 would be alot stronger than the old worn 297's that were in your axle stock.

Incase you didnt know, Spicer upgraded the 297's to 760's now so IF you do get new OEM stuff then make sure you buy Spicer.

There are others considering this combo http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1494

Notice how almost every person says its a waste of time and money?

I couldnt find a link for the currie conversion they are talking about but sounds like a waste. I could swap a 60 in for half that price.

 

[Burns]

well think of it like this. if i was running a dana60 i would have less ground clearance and a ton of more weight. i am only running 4.88 gears and 36. if i broke this joint this easy what says when im wheelin really hard that i dont break a set of 400 dollar shafts. ill bet i can find a cheap d60 and get what i want off of it and sell it and break even. oh and buying that drive in is what i want to do for the rest of my life i love it so much

 

[j602]

I graduated at the top of my English class. I enjoy using correct grammar, and being articulate at that. Thank you.

My panties are just fine, thanks. You and I both know that D44's break very regularly when used in coordination with large tires. He's running 36's. That's pushing the 44 a bit. A D60 would pretty much take care of any breaking problem he might ever have with those tires.

And I agree, if you're going to use a ton of D60 parts, just throw the whole thing in. I never said running a hybrid was a great idea.

 

[Burns]

from what i have read the dana 60 is weighs a considerbly more than the dana 44 so i am thinkin of tryin a hybrid. also i have read that the dana 60 has less ground clearance than the d44 even if i shave the dana 60 u can make a 44 even smaller

 

[EMG7895]

If you want a hybrid 60 do a 609 (60 outers and 9" diff)