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Thanks for the encouragement guys. My chips are all on the table, there's no turning back.
As Tim said about the bent valve, 'You have the worst luck with used things I have ever seen'.
The machinist said 'Too bad about the valve, as these things are works of art. They don't see a ton of swirl polished stainless valves come thru their shop.
Alex's parts has been amazing to communicate with. He will sell me one ss swirl polished valve along with the hardened keepers and viton valve seals. I just need one more measurement to make sure he gets me the right valve. Also, the keepers need to be checked for how many degree's they are. 7 or 10. Suddenly my amazing deal gt40p's became that much less of a deal. ****.
It just doesn't mater at this point. Being 'all in', I'll keep going till the trucks up and working. I knew the machine shop wouldn't be cheap, but I did want someone with lots of experience looking everything over.
As Tim said about the bent valve, 'You have the worst luck with used things I have ever seen'.
The machinist said 'Too bad about the valve, as these things are works of art. They don't see a ton of swirl polished stainless valves come thru their shop.
Alex's parts has been amazing to communicate with. He will sell me one ss swirl polished valve along with the hardened keepers and viton valve seals. I just need one more measurement to make sure he gets me the right valve. Also, the keepers need to be checked for how many degree's they are. 7 or 10. Suddenly my amazing deal gt40p's became that much less of a deal. ****.
It just doesn't mater at this point. Being 'all in', I'll keep going till the trucks up and working. I knew the machine shop wouldn't be cheap, but I did want someone with lots of experience looking everything over.
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From a positive standpoint:
Better to find the bent valve now, this way, than to be having some fun and Blip it has a "Cast Iron **** Fit".
So in all due respect the "Stroker Gods" may be watching you back.
It's going to work this time just fine.
Chris
Better to find the bent valve now, this way, than to be having some fun and Blip it has a "Cast Iron **** Fit".
So in all due respect the "Stroker Gods" may be watching you back.
It's going to work this time just fine.
Chris
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I paid good money for someone to find more issues that would cost me more money 
The bearings ended up coming from Jegs, as they are kinda hard to come by right now. Nicole found them for me and sent me directly there, as the only ones they had are for a customers build. Summit is on backorder, and I picked up the last set of main bearings from Jegs.
A single valve is coming from Alex's Parts. There was no way for the machine shop to really know if the keepers were 7 degree's or 10 degrees. I went with 7's as they are more the normal. Were going to find out.
I hope to have everything in by the end of the week so the machine shop can get busy.
On a side note, I priced out a new Edge optioned out really well. It worked out to a payment of $700.00/month. Suddenly, I'm thinking this isn't really all that expensive. I just need it to work.
The bearings ended up coming from Jegs, as they are kinda hard to come by right now. Nicole found them for me and sent me directly there, as the only ones they had are for a customers build. Summit is on backorder, and I picked up the last set of main bearings from Jegs.
A single valve is coming from Alex's Parts. There was no way for the machine shop to really know if the keepers were 7 degree's or 10 degrees. I went with 7's as they are more the normal. Were going to find out.
I hope to have everything in by the end of the week so the machine shop can get busy.
On a side note, I priced out a new Edge optioned out really well. It worked out to a payment of $700.00/month. Suddenly, I'm thinking this isn't really all that expensive. I just need it to work.
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Priced out
I recently priced out a Dodge Hellcat. it was over 900 a month. I guess I will stick with Fords for a while longer.
Will they be able to tell if the keepers are correct when installing them or do you have to drive around and see if one drops and ruins the piston?
I recently priced out a Dodge Hellcat. it was over 900 a month. I guess I will stick with Fords for a while longer.
Will they be able to tell if the keepers are correct when installing them or do you have to drive around and see if one drops and ruins the piston?
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Don't even talk like that.
They say they will know right away when they install them by how they sit. Also, comparing them to the old ones any differences should be seen.
The only standard is that there is no standard.
I'm pretty sure I have the right ones coming.
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Ok, as a big part of this forum is learning for us hobbyists, here's what I found on Keepers:
"Retainers and keepers come in two different angles, these being 7 and 10 degrees. Seven-degree retainer/keeper combinations are the norm and are used almost universally by the OEM. These work just fine until spring forces escalate to the levels required to run big valve lifts and very high rpm. Under such circumstances the keepers literally bind themselves into the retainers making a teardown really difficult. By going to a 10-degree angle, the clamping force of the keeper on the valve stem is reduced, but teardown is far easier."
http://www.hotrod.com/how-to/engine/0607phr-camshaft-basics/
Now, I am not running super high rpm, or super high lift. It would appear that the 7 degree keepers are the ticket for me. Its interesting that 7 degree and 10 degree seem to be interchangeable without any other changes.
"Retainers and keepers come in two different angles, these being 7 and 10 degrees. Seven-degree retainer/keeper combinations are the norm and are used almost universally by the OEM. These work just fine until spring forces escalate to the levels required to run big valve lifts and very high rpm. Under such circumstances the keepers literally bind themselves into the retainers making a teardown really difficult. By going to a 10-degree angle, the clamping force of the keeper on the valve stem is reduced, but teardown is far easier."
http://www.hotrod.com/how-to/engine/0607phr-camshaft-basics/
Now, I am not running super high rpm, or super high lift. It would appear that the 7 degree keepers are the ticket for me. Its interesting that 7 degree and 10 degree seem to be interchangeable without any other changes.
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That is a relief! You scared me with the "There was no way for the machine shop to really know if the keepers were 7 degree's or 10 degrees."
I guess there is a way. lol.
Don't hit me guys! lol
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Thanks for watching my back. We all know it doesn't take much to destroy a motor. :frustrate
I don't know how some guys manage to magically pull off a motor build that 'Just Work' without putting any real thought in to it.
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Thanks AGAIN Tim.
yup, Tim was back yet again to help seat my motor to the trans.
Not to mention, his engine stand and picker have lived at my place. Oh, and did I mention free delivery and pickup. Even with a smile.
I'm pretty time limited right now, but I hope to sneak in a couple of hours on Saturday, and hopefully have a running motor Sunday night. We will see, I might drink too much Saturday causing a late start Sunday. This whole thing is driving me to drink.
yup, Tim was back yet again to help seat my motor to the trans.
Not to mention, his engine stand and picker have lived at my place. Oh, and did I mention free delivery and pickup. Even with a smile.
I'm pretty time limited right now, but I hope to sneak in a couple of hours on Saturday, and hopefully have a running motor Sunday night. We will see, I might drink too much Saturday causing a late start Sunday. This whole thing is driving me to drink.
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Glad you got the motor back!
Good luck this weekend!
Good luck this weekend!
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And, the motor is in.
I called Tim to see if he could stop by to help me with the finger in the hole for finding tdc for the cam sensor and stick around for the startup. Not only did he pretty much come over right away, but didn't leave until all the wrenching was done. Front dif is in, everything.
I didn't plan on having the motor running with the front dif in tonight. As a matter of fact, I was dreading even going back out for another run at this. Once I started (Around 1 before I could muster the courage), I was ok. Tim kept me going tonight.
No startup issues this time, no leaks. Nothing. I took it for a short drive, and still no issues. I'll take it to work with me tomorrow.
Picture looks just like the last one, and the one before that...
I called Tim to see if he could stop by to help me with the finger in the hole for finding tdc for the cam sensor and stick around for the startup. Not only did he pretty much come over right away, but didn't leave until all the wrenching was done. Front dif is in, everything.
I didn't plan on having the motor running with the front dif in tonight. As a matter of fact, I was dreading even going back out for another run at this. Once I started (Around 1 before I could muster the courage), I was ok. Tim kept me going tonight.
No startup issues this time, no leaks. Nothing. I took it for a short drive, and still no issues. I'll take it to work with me tomorrow.
Picture looks just like the last one, and the one before that...
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yay for the test run 
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Engine in
Good job guys!
You moved fast, it is in and up and running in record time.
Glad to hear the good news!
Good job guys!
You moved fast, it is in and up and running in record time.
Glad to hear the good news!
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