ok well it seems that jeff and keith, you will be available bout the same time, so lets try to set somethin up, keith, u know big moose right, then u should know stillwater? the road out to stillwater has some trails off of it, old fire roads, also rondaz road off of 28 about 4 miles west of old forge has an awsome sand pit and some crawling, then at the east end of the new stretch of 28 where it crosses the moose river my mckeever dam, turn right go down a few miles and there is a river crossing with trails on the other side, theres more up there.. and im sure if we talk to ppl up there we can find a lot more. so what do ya say ppl?